any one had to deal with a "stalker" before?

drunk_medic

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That ALL depends on where you live. California? Yeah.. you'll be out of luck if he survives or if there's no proof he was a valid threat.

I believe in some states, the law states that if you are being robbed, you are to retreat to the furthest room in the house, and if the intruder comes for you still, you may kill in self defense. That's total crap, in my opinion. A man's home is his castle, and nobody invades MY throne!
 

Joel W.

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ya its risky for sure, i had a boss once that caught a neighbors kid cutting the lock off his gated car pen and joyriding customers cars. on the 3rd night (2 locks later) he was waiting like chuck norris w/ a maglight. thumped the kid and drug him up to his shop and called the cops, cops showed up and arrested both of them.. kid for b&e and my boss for assault on a minor.. then the kids folks sue and won a few grand... welcome to crazyworld..
 

JustAnotherVictim

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joel w. said:
ok im wondering if anyone has ever had to deal with a stalker, i got some kid for the last week now thats been stalking my little sister and i chased him off the property last night about 1am, he had 20 seconds start on me so i didnt catch him arrrggg

we have called the sherrifs, but they said they cant issue a restraining order untill we tell him he is not welcome. and they need an addy for him to serve it.. But 2 years ago my pop caught him in our basement and said he would shoot him if he ever came back,

thats good enough warning IMO. she has seen him for the last week everynight outside her window and im starting to think he is progressing and getting bolder. Im camping out tonight with my ar-15, open season on his ass....
I had one. Nobody has seen him since :icon_bigg


J/k
 

Joel W.

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ya i thought about something like that, but we live out in the middle of a big farm/field so anyone could come from any direction if they wanted.. be hard to set up...and c4 is not easy to obtain any more.. im looking at some cheap NV cameras, with motion sensors tied to a vcr.....
 

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I've decided I am probably gonna get a taser....

Non-lethal and will put the target down (for me to kik in the head), 'til the cops arrive.... Nothing like a kajillion volts to remind you that you Fed up!
 

Joel W.

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ya i just read that the state just issued (100) x36? tasers to the state patrol officers on duty here. very cool items...
 

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No question about it, this scuzzball must be stopped at once. But the fact that your sister was seeing him at the window (iirc) just a few nights ago doesn't help you. He can claim he's visiting his gf, and the overprotective brother, being an ass, wrongly attacked him. So, you must first protect yourself from an assault, manslaughter or even murder charge, so you can act. You need to have the sister cooperante, and be on the same page with you (i'm not sure you said you have two sisters, and one is being stalked, if it's only one sister). I'd have her give him a phone call (which you will record on tape, and them make couple copies), where she tells him in no uncertain terms he's not to ever set foot in the property. Then I would post several "No Traspassing" signs around the home, or where they are visible. Of course, that won't stop an intruder, but then he can't later claim he was there to visit his girlfriend of X many years, and that he was unjustifieldy shot/hurt or scared. And you shut the door on a civil claim as well. Keep in mind, if you hurt him and are prosecuted criminally, laying in wait with a weapon is a aggravating factor in any criminal court. And going to look for him for a chat isa bad idea, too. If anyone's injured because things got out of hand. you've risked becoming the aggressor, because you went looking for him. Trust me on this.
It's not what's fair, but what can be proven in court. Even if he's in your sister's bedroom, and he got killed or injured, any novice prosecutor could argue you used too much force. The law in most states says you use only the necessary or reasonble force, and to use more is a criminal act. Never mind the scumbag shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Now, if he comes near the home after all this, call the cops and tell then you have traspassed this guy and he's back, and you need an officer here right now. After the call, if you see the scumbag come in, keep an eye on him while the cops arrive. If you see he's he's armed, I say you're fully within your right to do anything in your power to protect life and property.
I realize dropping the guy on his tracks would be very satisfying, things can turn around against you very easily. It's messed up, I know. But it's way too easy to get hot headed, only to end up being the one defending oneself in court. My $0.02
 

Joel W.

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cool man, good advice,
just to clear it up a bit, i have only one sister here at home, she dated the stalker briefly 2 yrs ago and she has not had any contact with him untill 6 nights ago outside her window.

then he called out of the blue the following day. She asked if it was him there at the window the night before and he said it was not him..she then asked him to not do it again and not to call her anymore...

she has a current different boyfriend thats shes been with for 6 months or so..he is ok. 3 nights ago the stalker entered the basement and left his shoe prints and the door wide open, spying on my sister and her friend, she never saw him that night untill later that evening outside the window again. the prints we found outside on the concrete walk by her window were the same as the prints in the basement inside the house.

also for the record i was waiting for him unarmed last night.. well i had a coffee cup in hand. :sleep:
 
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Damn... A COFFEE CUP!?!?!? You're insane.... do you know how much collateral damage that could do?

Now, a mug of beer..... yeah, a frosty mug of beer.... that'll do the trick!

This thread reminds me of Bill Murray chasing the gopher in Caddyshack.... you'll do fine... Now go git that varmit!
 

LuvMySilverSupra

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fuck you
all this talk about your auto rifles has me seriously jealous. fuck CA and their nazi laws.

anyways, forget the AR, forget the pistol. NOTHING is more intimidating that a pump shotty. seriously, if he is creeping through your house, and he hears you cock that shotty on the other side of a door or something, he will run and never come back. but serisouly, like someone breaking into your house tryin to rob u with a gun. he's about to enter your room and he hears u crack one off on the other side, he's running. doesnt matter who it is.

but yeah, probably not a good idea to shoot him, but maybe show him a gun as intimidation. just beware, if u pull that shit to try and scare him, he might pull something too and u better shoot first if he does.

get one of those motion initiated lights outside her window and in the basement. or like an audiable motion alarm? like instead of a light, something that will make a noise when something moves in front of it.

last resort, move to texas. kill him and bring him there and say he was trespassing.

or maybe next time he breaks in have your sister say something really loud like "im HIV positive, now my life is over" that'll scare him :)
 

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Fuck him any one who steps foot in my home uninvited. I have a CCW and i am 100% positive that i would empty all 10 rounds of my clip in him and never think about it again. That is if he stepped in my house or if he confronted me or my sister on the street either way there would only be one side of the story to tell.
 

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LuvMySilverSupra said:
but yeah, probably not a good idea to shoot him, but maybe show him a gun as intimidation. just beware, if u pull that shit to try and scare him, he might pull something too and u better shoot first if he does.

That is surely the quickest way to land your self in jail. First rule of guns is you don't pull it unless you pull it. It is very against the law to use a weapon to intimidate someone and if he reacts then a judge will say it was in self defense and you go to jail. Lets look at this in Real Terms which would you find easier A.) You call the cops and have to tell them you just shot someone for who attacked your sister or broke in your home. Or B.) Getting a call from the Cops telling you they found you sister dead or raped or I think you get the point.
 
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Joel W.

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well. I stayed out again waiting for him last night, he did not show, so hopefully,, he got the point and this episode is done.. thanks for all the suggestions and advice people.. i really apreciate it all...
 

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mcpcola said:
That is surely the quickest way to land your self in jail. First rule of guns is you don't pull it unless you pull it. It is very against the law to use a weapon to intimidate someone and if he reacts then a judge will say it was in self defense and you go to jail. Lets look at this in Real Terms which would you find easier A.) You call the cops and have to tell them you just shot someone for who attacked your sister or broke in your home. Or B.) Getting a call from the Cops telling you they found you sister dead or raped or I think you get the point.

yeah, pull a gun to scare him and you'll go to jail. shoot and maybe kill a kid for coming on your property and you're a hero. sorry, thats not how the world works.

you confront the guy with a gun when u catch him trying to sneak in and you will never see him again. i.e. brewsters post on the front page.

you shoot him and say self defense they're gonna look into in great detail. if he doesnt die then he'll say he didnt pose a threat. if he does they'll try to charge u with manslaughter at the least. even if u do get aquitted, it's gonna be a long frustrating experience. all the headaches from the investigation plus the fact that u have to live your entire life knowing u took a kid's life. even if u did the right thing and think of your family, after a while u might start second gessing yourself.

either way, saying you'll go to jail for scaring him with a weapon, but not if u actually shoot him is just retarded
 

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don't talk about something you don't know I have and do carry a concealled weapon and yes I have a permit. It is illegal to show a weapon to scare someone call the local police department if you don't believe me. You will go to jail for brandishing a weapon. The rule is that if you can scare them off then you were not in danger. I have taken several classes and they tell you if you pull the gun you pull the trigger bottom line.
 

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This is taken from Nonosenseselfdefense.com

A weapon is not for bluffing
It's not about winning, it's about surviving. And before you pick up a weapon you need to know the difference.

Can you, in a moment of calm reflection, decide that you are willing to take another human life in order to protect your life or those of your loved ones. And live with the consequences for the rest of your life?

Can you make this decision, knowing full well that if you pull the trigger it would destroy life as you know it?

Because that is what we are talking about.

Unfortunately, most people don't know the difference between winning and surviving. "Winning" is an emotional, ego-based impulse that you have to "prove something to someone else" (i.e., that they are wrong, or that they messed with the wrong person, or that they don't have 'power' over you, etc., etc.). In short, "winning" is about fighting to prove you are right*.

Whereas "surviving" isn't about being right, it's about being alive. It is knowing that when you pull that trigger, everything you might have thought you would "win" will be destroyed. It is the willingness to throw aside all emotional motivation for the fight, every rule and standard you normally live your life by and do whatever is necessary in order to see the sun rise tomorrow.

Most people don't realize this difference and end up trying to "win" by displaying a weapon in order to "scare away" danger. Unfortunately, this is "bluffing." And as in poker, your bluff can be called.

Lt. Colonel David Grossman in his book, On Killing, postulates that the old "fight or flight" model is flawed for same-species interaction in that it doesn't include two other important alternatives. These other options are "posturing" and "submission." The relevance of these cannot be understated as it fills in a serious hole in the old model.

It is most often through posturing (threat display) that we hope to drive away or cause others to submit (so we "win"). Now whether this is to gain self-esteem by intimidating others or because we are desperately hoping that our display will frighten another off so we don't have to physically fight doesn't really matter. Posturing plays an important role in many, if not most, conflicts.

Posturing can either be a legitimate display of danger (like a rattlesnake's buzz or a dog's hackles going up before a fight) or it can be a bluff to make the bluffer look too big to attack (like a cockatoo's crest or a cat fluffing and arching).

The problem is most people can't bluff worth a damn.

It is not uncommon for a person who does not feel their display is working to increase the level and degree of posturing. When you have two like-minded people engaged in conflict, posturing behavior can escalate out of control. It is literally like two people in a poker game locked into an endless round of bluffing by raising the ante, hoping that the other person will decide to fold. They become so enmeshed in this spiral, they feel they cannot "back down."

Unfortunately, it is also extremely common for people feeling threatened to pull a weapon and display it to show exactly how dangerous they are. It is almost as if the person were saying, "See how dangerous I am!?! Now, quit threatening me and go away!"

This is flawed thinking in both cases, especially if it is in the middle of a heated and emotional argument. It is common in emotional situations for the person, whom the display is supposed to scare away, to instead to increase his threat display. This causes the other person to escalate as well.

Quite literally, if the person the bluffer is trying to scare away doesn't scare, the bluffer will try to escalate it further. And in this mindset, there is only one way to go from brandishing a weapon if the other the person doesn't back off. This is quite literally why the most common -- and stupidest -- last words of people shot in these circumstances is "You ain't got the guts (to pull the trigger)." Don't laugh and don't think we're making it up. It is true.

From an outside perspective, it may seem incredible. But for people caught up in having to "win," this is a common response to the increased posturing via a weapon by the other party. It happens -- a lot. It is equally unbelievable that someone waving a gun around threatening to kill someone a second before is now standing there in shock because he just shot someone. But that too happens -- a lot. In the heat of the moment all sorts of stupid things make sense to the participants, it's only afterwards that reality comes crashing back in, but by then it is too late.

Furthermore, if someone is brandishing a weapon in hopes of scaring a violent person away, her body language is going to be significantly different than someone who will, without hesitation, pull the trigger to stop an attacker.

Here's the problem: A violent person knows the difference. While the latter will usually convince him not to try anything, the former often will enrage him so much that he attacks. And unfortunately, there is often hesitation to pull the trigger when the bluff, doesn't work which is all it takes for an attacker to overwhelm someone.

Which brings us back to the "childhood lesson:" Don't pull a weapon if you aren't willing to use it. If you are relying on it to scare someone away so you don't have to use it, you shouldn't have one.