customsleepers;1906326 said:
I absolutely hate abs in every car I've ever driven. Three or four time in my 05 Subaru in the snow I've come with in inches of crashing the car because of abs and wound up using my ebrake to stop car I actully know quite a few people that hate the abs. I plan to remove mine in near future and no one will talk me out of not doing so.
Things like this make me shake my head. If the e-brake is "making the difference" then the problem was you getting into the situation in the first place. ABS was definitely NOT causing you to stop slower, it was only making it so that it would have been your bumper taking the hit instead of your fender.
I am also aware of an IHS study on ABS which concluded that ABS did not significantly alter crash statistics, but did impact (No pun intended) driver's habits in the first 5 years of it being commonly available as an option. In later years, however, it did reduce crash incidence and severity as people began to learn that ABS is about steering, not about stopping faster.
I've been in close calls in the winter, where ABS wasn't stopping the car. Not having ABS wouldn't have stopped the car, either, but where I was able to steer around the car in front of me, the car in front of me was not able to steer around the car in front of him. Thus I ended up avoiding being car #4 in a 3 car pile-up. Barely. I was younger then with only about 15 years driving experience. Had another one later where a cube van came out from the left side of the road, blowing through a stop sign and would have plowed into the driver's side door. I hit the curb there and lost both right hand side tires. (I remember the insurance adjuster saying something about the damages being rather high "for him not even hitting the car.")
Where I live, there's snow and ice on the road 7 months of the year. I know people who have ABS, too, and not one of them is as good a driver as they think. Seriously, how many people do you know who thinks that they're a below average driver? But really, statistically, half of the drivers out there have to be, right?
Just one decade behind the wheel isn't nearly the amount of experience that I thought it was when it was me. Well, at least in a Supra, you've got a good shot of living to get more. After all, it's built pretty well for keeping drivers and passengers safe in a crash.
89jdm7m;1906334 said:
You guys obviously have no clue... and definitely not the spirit of a warrior.
I know... you guys could NEVER comprehend a reality other than the one you perceive
Them's fightin' words.
Now who's making assumptions without knowing anything? You think that I don't understand taking control -- and responsibility? There's a reason why I drive a standard, and it's not because I think that I can drive faster than the auto. I know damned well the advantages that an auto has, particularly with a turbocharged engine. The difference for me is that it's not a safety issue. I consider it something of a personal failure whenever the ABS kicks in when I'm in my normal day-to-day driving, even when, or maybe especially when I'm driving close to the limits of the car. It means that I screwed up, I miscalculated my traction budget, and the machine had to save my ass. So I take that data, and maybe next time I can shoot that corner a little faster, a little smoother, or maybe I just can't, and I should know better by now, particularly since I get really good data on
exactly where those limits are from taking the car past them.
same way I know. (saying I know who's got a handle on things and who doesn't)
