88 Blue Turbo restoration/upgrade story

lithium14

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Did the 89's+ also have the semi clear sparkly mouldings the pre89's did??? I'm sure you guys know of what I speak... I saw a red supra with the same mouldings (in red of course)... if pics are desired, I will post em tomorrow... It's kinda hard to use words to describe the moulding, personally I was very impressed when I noticed how they were the first time.
 

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lithium14;1673595 said:
boostcraver, golly after hearing all your stuff, I feel lucky!! =O If I had a choice, I would NOT start my trip so soon, since I have just found the parts I need for pretty cheap (thank you mobes for reminding me about rockauto and supra28 for the trans)

I do have one question for you boostcraver... you said you're a toyota tech right? For things like replacing the steering and trans, toyota should be the best to handle that correct? now the next question is, if I bring in my own parts that I ordered, will toyota install them for me? or do they have a policy where they will only install parts that they ordered direct from toyota? The reason I ask is because the parts I am replacing with aren't modded aftermarket parts, but identical to stock or just are stock... anyways thanks for your feedback!!

I can't speak for other dealers, but my POE, the policy is that they will install it but with 0 warranty at all. The exception would be if the parts had been ordered through our parts dept. previously. I'm not even sure if they could get you a new Auto trans. but if they could, it would be STOCK spec and likely, almost as expensive as the built one you referenced in an earlier post. They pretty much would have to install yours, or get a junkyard trans.(if they could find one) which also probably would come with no more of a warranty than what the salvage yard gave with it.

If the other parts you have are genuine Toyota, you shouldn't have to worry about the quality there, so you might be ok to take it to a general service place if it's a significant savings over Toyota's prices. I would still take it to Toyota if the difference is not more than $50 bucks, though. Then at least you know it would be done right and if there is a warranty, it MAY transfer to your new local service center in Austin. That's my 2 pennies...
 

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Hmmmm well the parts in question are a steering rack assembly from rockauto and a used a340e trans with 108k miles. I would love to install it myself, but I don't have the tools or the shop to do so, and plus I don't trust myself with such a big undertaking. Can toyota do a tranny rebuild or should I just take it to a local trans specialty shop? (I'd like to have the newer trans to be rebuilt with new "perishables": seals, etc etc) I'm wondering if i should have my old trans sent off to ipt to be performance rebuilt while i use the other a340e... hehe but that's wholly dependent on my financial situation...
 

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lithium14;1673652 said:
Hmmmm well the parts in question are a steering rack assembly from rockauto and a used a340e trans with 108k miles. I would love to install it myself, but I don't have the tools or the shop to do so, and plus I don't trust myself with such a big undertaking. Can toyota do a tranny rebuild or should I just take it to a local trans specialty shop? (I'd like to have the newer trans to be rebuilt with new "perishables": seals, etc etc) I'm wondering if i should have my old trans sent off to ipt to be performance rebuilt while i use the other a340e... hehe but that's wholly dependent on my financial situation...

I'd go to the transmission shop. But look like you know your stuff else they'll try to rip you off. Dealership rebuilding your transmission..... will be an outrageous price.
 

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Gota7MGTE;1673800 said:
I'd go to the transmission shop. But look like you know your stuff else they'll try to rip you off. Dealership rebuilding your transmission..... will be an outrageous price.

Agreed...with one exception. If you go to the trans shop, I would wait to see what they say about it before "showing your knowledge". If they tell you something that seems outta line, ask questions THEN. It will give you a good idea if you are dealing with a reputable shop or not, whether they tell you the right thing off the bat or you have to correct them once they try to put one past you.
 

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boostcraver;1673845 said:
Agreed...with one exception. If you go to the trans shop, I would wait to see what they say about it before "showing your knowledge". If they tell you something that seems outta line, ask questions THEN. It will give you a good idea if you are dealing with a reputable shop or not, whether they tell you the right thing off the bat or you have to correct them once they try to put one past you.

Yep yep, The machine shop around here are extremely professional, but are rats when it comes to cash. On a friends motor, we took pictures before we took it to them & when we came back to pick it up they were claiming something was broken & that they had to do this & that & we argued that the block was never opened until we opened it & even showed them the pictures... so extra charges voided! & on my pistons & rods i needed them reconditioned & the lady (owner, i think its a family business) told me $90 & when i came back they told me they had to hone the top portion of the rods where the piston connects & were charging me $120, i told them i didn't have that much cash on me & that they should have called me to see what i would decide on instead of them deciding for me. so i end up paying $96 since they did a pretty good job & all. but yes watch out for that type of people
 

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weerd thanks for the advice guys!! I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I go looking for shops. I'm also going to try and contact some local supra owners and see if they have any suggestions as well... like i say all the time, this is a great community... everyone helps out so much. I just hope someday I can provide advice that is constructive as well.
 

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I can give you a hand if I can find the time, I have the tools but don't have a very big garage and my Supra is already all over it. We can try to make room or do it in the driveway if the weather cooperates.

I did some reading on auto transmissions, it's probably the front pump, which you can find here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Impo...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Or from what I gather from any 2JZ-GE Lexus from a junk yard.

There is an auto in that '87 I mentioned above, good prices there but not sure of the condition of the transmission or the rack. They also have some 4-runners which should have the same trans just a different tail section for the transfer case. There should at least be one with a good front pump.

This is the place:
http://austin.craigslist.org/aos/2137270169.html

The steering rack probably just needs o-rings but I'm pretty sure you need specialty tools to rebuild them so it probably makes more sense just to buy a reman.
 

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Thanks for the offer!! How far are you from Austin?? (I have no idea where Leander is >_<) and thanks for the links as well... taking a look now... as for my own research, I can't seem to find anything on transmission noises, everything I have found says torque converter *sigh. Here's a more detailed description of the noise, if you watch my vids from before you know its a very loud shrill screeching/whistling. It doesn't always happen for example I just took her out for a short drive, about 6-8 miles and no issues at all. Last night however, She had not ran all day, and at night I decided to start her up, after a couple minutes, the sound kicked in and I decided to conduct an experiment. In park the sound was very constant, in reverse it died down somewhat (which is opposite how it used to be idk y), in drive and the two other gears, the sound became somewhat (whats the word.....) like a wave, ebbing in and out, a very fast undulation (<---funny word). Very odd no? well, take it for what it's worth that's what I noticed last night.

ALSO, I noticed just yesterday that both my steering and transmission problems only happened AFTER my uncle decided to swap the fluids out... of course I had not found this forum yet at the time, and I thought it was a good idea... I do believe (since neither was a complete flush, he only added perhaps a quart of trans fluid and drained the same) After reading several people say that a trans that has never been flushed should just be left alone... I think I may have just broken that rule and suffered the consequences. Also I believe the powersteering underwent somewhat the same deal. The reason I feel this way is because while in Oregon and during the drive down to San Jose, these two issues never occurred, there was no steering problem, and the trans was perfect. like I said the problems only started after the fluid changes... and I'm wondering since he also changed out the differential fluid, would that start to go bad as well?? I really hope not...
 

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A little update... I decided I wanted my fogs to come on with out having to turn on my taillights, so rewired the fuse line to the cig lighter... more awesomeness :D
 

mobes

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lithium14;1673893 said:
How far are you from Austin?? (I have no idea where Leander is >_<)

About 30 minutes depending on traffic:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=austin,+tx+to+leander,+tx&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

It's one of the 'burbs.

lithium14;1673893 said:
ALSO, I noticed just yesterday that both my steering and transmission problems only happened AFTER my uncle decided to swap the fluids out... of course I had not found this forum yet at the time, and I thought it was a good idea... I do believe (since neither was a complete flush, he only added perhaps a quart of trans fluid and drained the same) After reading several people say that a trans that has never been flushed should just be left alone... I think I may have just broken that rule and suffered the consequences. Also I believe the powersteering underwent somewhat the same deal. The reason I feel this way is because while in Oregon and during the drive down to San Jose, these two issues never occurred, there was no steering problem, and the trans was perfect. like I said the problems only started after the fluid changes... and I'm wondering since he also changed out the differential fluid, would that start to go bad as well?? I really hope not...

The fresh fluid tends to wash out the built up deposits, sometimes they are what is keeping things sealed. The differential should be OK.
 

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Ohhh nice, you know where Great Hills is? that's where I used to live 15 years ago LoL... it was a really nice area. So could washing out the built up deposits cause my steering to go bad??? it's odd though because after I loaded the supra up today, the steering noise died down just a little... ??? LoL
 

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whoops.. exceeded bandwidth... new account and more pics tonight... should be some good stuff!!! I took several artsy shots, :D but, fam time and movie now so :D
 

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Just a little note on the diff... if you do change it out you should NOT use straight LSD oil ( if you have the LSD diff. that is). I know it says LSD oil only right there on the housing but you will burn it up if you do. Instead, use straight gear oil with an LSD additive. Trust me on this. I found out the hard way and only learned of the right way after I started working for Toyota and asked why my LSD wasn't functioning correctly anymore. That info came straight from a Toyota Master Diag Certed Tech, which is the highest certification that you can hold with them. Lemme know if you want me to ask for the mix ratio...
 

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oh my... ummm... well the bad news is, I think we just put in straight LSD... er h/o lemmee check

before I do however, pics as promised (New account lmao)

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I revved again... up to around 7k and found the coolant spray again... wtf i can't believe the thread sealant I just put on the BVSV would blow like that... any suggestions? in the meantime, I just need to avoid revving haha

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If you look very closely you can see the drops of coolant (the fusebox was liberally covered)

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OK I checked, what we put in was just gear oil at 85W-140... the letter's LSD weren't anywhere to be found on the bottle LoL the brand is MAG1. And here's the noob question of the day: How do I know if I have an LSD =O... and yes please what is the correct ratio of additive to oil?

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hvyman;1674039 said:
I think you need more bandwidth on photobucket lol. Nice build.

LoL yep, got a second account hehehe and thanks man!!! once I get settled down and stabilized in terms of money, the build will really pick up :D
 

mobes

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lithium14;1674277 said:
How do I know if I have an LSD =O

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?47729-Data-Tag-VIN-Decoding-Information

There should also be a red "LSD OIL ONLY" tag on the back of the diff if you have one. It might be covered in dirt.

lithium14;1674277 said:
what is the correct ratio of additive to oil?

From what I recall, if it doesn't make popping when going around corners without the additive then it's either worn out or you don't have one.

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?91845-Rear-end-LSD.
 

lithium14

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Well according to that first link, there are no turbo's without LSD, so guess that means I have one. As for diff noise, tbh I have no idea what it sounds like, and if I've heard it before I most likely did not know what I was hearing. Of course I will be paying attention to that now, but again, not really sure what I'm listening for. Also my car makes so many strange noises, it's hard to filter through all of them while trying to figure out where they come from >_<

Thanks though!!! I learn something everyday, and sometimes with every post hehe
 

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Ok, on the subject of the gear oil, you should be using a GL-5 level gear oil 80-90w, with 6 oz. of BG brand LSII additive. Total capacity of the diff is 1.3 Liters, so I would add the whole tube of additive first then fill to capacity with the proper gear oil. If your local Toyota service/parts dept. doesn't have the BG brand additive check @ the GM parts dept. closest to you as it is the same additive used in Z06 'vette diffs.
 

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Ok... both me and the car survived the drive, and I arrived much faster than expected... now to find a place to live :( ... more to come soon including pics