400+whp 7M's

[Jspec7m88]

flubyux2:
I won't flame. Not at all. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...

Which is what I'm going to do.

Horsepower means NOTHING unless you want to use it for braggin rights.
Most Supra enthusiasts are all about making it FAST,
Whether it be 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile or simply Auto X.
Of course, there is nothing wrong with wanting to lay down good numbers on a dyno. Hell, it's just more motivation to make you want more...
I'm not bashing on MKIV Supra's at all, but rather a large handful of the owners. Personally, If I owned a MKIV, I'd get all those goods to exceed insane horsepower numbers..........and then get a built Auto.
I'm Sorry, but I wouldn't want to have 1000rwhp in my Supra, making 10 second passes on my 6 speed while a 400rwhp SR20 240 is running the same times as me.

And I understand, there are A LOT of great drivers out there that can maintain that 1000+hp through a 6 speed, but if otherwise, I wouldn't want to have all that power and still be running double digit ET's. :icon_conf

My .02.
I'm not even going to go back and read what I typed, I just poured my heart out. LOL

 

[Nick M]

hey, if you guys are perfectly satisfied with 400hp and high 12's... thats fine, itll just make me look that much better.

An 89 Mustang LX with a stock 5.0 litre engine, 3.73 gears, upgraded lower control arms, subframe connectors, reinforced torque boxes,(light suspension work) exhaust and tuning will run high 12's.

In fact, you know I love our cars, but an LX like that with 350 rwhp would probably own most of the 400 rwhp cars here.

I know Dr Jonez has a really quick ET, but most of us don't. Even with big power.

 

[IJ.]

Funny how this thread went from "have you heard of this website" to "how much horsepower is enough." I'm just starting with the Supra so I can't add my own experience. But, I like the idea that too fast is never fast enough. There is always a little room for improvement; isn't that why we are constantly tinkering with our cars?

Of course, "fast enough" might actually be a finite value for some people.

If some is good more is better and too much is just about right !

"IJ's Law" <in a Zap Brannigan voice>

 

[dbsupra90]

If some is good more is better and too much is just about right !

"IJ's Law" <in a Zap Brannigan voice>

zapp FTW!

"In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces"

 

[upgradedsupra]

Even though I have 400rwhp @ 13psi, I yearn for more...more...

Correction....you have 398 NOT 400
















LOL Joke

Duane

 

[97TSiAWD]

If some is good more is better and too much is just about right !

"IJ's Law" <in a Zap Brannigan voice>

Any Futurama reference > your Cletus picture.

 

[X-man]

If some is good more is better and too much is just about right !

"IJ's Law" <in a Zap Brannigan voice>

Words to live by. Well said.
Sean

 

[flubyux2]

lol... we own supras guys. "supra" in itself indicates a theme of excess. i know there are plenty of people who are satisfied with "good enough", but im not. if i only wanted 400hp, i would have stuck w/ a DSM. i like big cars, i like big power and i like big trap's. im no longer concerned w/ times since that only indicates how well you drive. i want power numbers and i want trap speeds to back up the power numbers. this is primarily because any bit of racing we do around here (off the track) means bridge runs where we go Past the 1320' mark. so, we are talking roll races, 60-160, 20-120, you know stuff like that. i prefer running for traps and roll races because its alot easier on the drivetrain since i dont have to bang gears hard core.

400rwhp is decent, dont get me wrong. however, its going to become an inadequate power figure all too soon. especially with the abundance of cars coming out that run 0-60mph in under 5 seconds, and have the power-to-weight ratio to click off high 12's and low 13's. the new roush mustangs, ford GT's, Vipers, C5's and C6's, V-class cadillacs, SRT powered mopars, and the like are coming out and we need to step it up. the whole purpose of building cars like these are so we can overtake cars that cost 10x what ours do. thats what makes this fun; knowing we can do what they can do, but better and for cheaper. at least, thats how i see it.

and yes, a Fox notch w/ gears, headers, x pipe and flow bastards, maf+injectors, pullies, drag radials and a small shot will run 12's EASILY w/ less power. but those cars are also 600lbs lighter than us. an LX notch is pretty light by our standards. we need to make more power to hang w/ lighter cars. simple physics.

and a 1000rwhp supra is EASY to drive on the street. you dont fry the tires every time you touch the gas, like a blower car or all-motor car. the power is only there when you want it. if you want it, shift AFTER 4000rpm. 1000rwhp supra is by no means Un-streetable. there are ALOT of people who daily drive these cars. i know a couple of them and they have no real complaints. they are pretty tame to drive and cruise around in... then put some slicks on it, head to the track and click off 9 second passes at 160mph, w/ the radio on, in your leather seats and full interior... and click the AC on as you come down the pit lane. not too shabby for a 3600lb street car.

yes, MK3 people are predominantly cheap bastards. tahts becase we are in a different cost bracket/demographic. if we could drop $5000 on going single, we probably could have afforded a $25000 car to begin with. since most of us could only afford a $1000 car, we dont have alot of money to throw around. this just means you have to learn to be creative and resourceful!

 

[Allan_MA70]

and a 1000rwhp supra is EASY to drive on the street.

How do you know?

 

[bigaaron]

yes, MK3 people are predominantly cheap bastards

Speak for yourself. Who made you the mk3 spokesperson? You use "us" and "we" way too much.

 

[bkma71]

Personally I say that POWERBAND is the mos important thing for a car. I heard very little talk of it. I think the magic nubers for a mkiii supra lie between 450-520rwhp for my peace of mind. Sure a upgraded ct can do it but-
a- thats not reliable.
b- old school technology= slow spool
c- requires use of shitty stock mani

I deffintly don't agree with flyby alot but I do admit that there are some points he does make. If you can extend your powerband then 1000hp is possible. And I agree about hanging out with people that help make you strive to be better.... btw fly- I dunno if you ever heard this but I have heard stories of bpu mkivs (dr mike I think) against 800hp (mark ross) and heard that mike beat him up to 120 something to feed on.

In the area that I don't agree with you is that I don't think 1000hp is streetable.. I mean there are new technology coming along quickly that will help make it possible but I dont think it is feesable. I.E. I would like to see you drive around downtown in a fairly populated city with one of those clutchs that holds 1000+whp. I did notice what ron is going to be using in his is a pretty intresting thing the hydrualive release but that is not really a common thing I dont think. Next is you think you could drive 1000rwhp on a rainy day? I don't, they can barely drive their cars on beutiful days at fully preped race tracks how they gunna drive them on wet unmaintained roads? and lord knows they wont use street tires. Sure you can say I dont take my car out of the grage on wet days but then how can you call that streetable. Just cuz a car can pull out of the garage and drive on a highway or straight to the track does not mean its streetable.


On topic now 7mpower is dead. Kinda weak seeing as how they changed management just so another guy could add one person and one update and then let the whole community down again. Just like are cars need to be reliable we need reliable supporters of the community. We have lost alot of people x-one melloyello trent will . I mean they might still come around every once in a while but there arent many people that seem to keep mkiii's in their heart always seems more like a temporary setover for most.

 

[born2drv]

lol ya speak for yourself!!

i dunno maybe you're right 8 times out of 10, but still, people like myself don't fall into your category. i bought the car not because it was cheap, but because i fell in love with it back in 1994 when i was in highschool. i not trying to turn a POS ancient relic car into a covette killer because i can't afford a corvette.... but because i love the car and i'm "reliving my youth" and having a mid-life-crisis haha j/k ... but for real, i've dumped a hell of a lot of $$ into her so far, and i'm not even 1/2 way done yet.

 

[Exilium]

I´m not a cheap Supra owner...

Putting 20000$ into my car in what? One and a half year? CASH!

But I agree that many Supra owners seem too be on the cheap side.

1000hp streetable? Sure, of boost that is. So if you want to drive it in the rain no probs! Just keep it under 4000rpm. It´s not like you have 1000hp from 1000rpm and up.
I mean if i go out in the rain with my mk3 300 crank-hp and step on it I get wheelspin 1, 2 and 3rd gear, Streetable? yes I think so!

Im aming for 500-550 rw with good suspention and brakes and of course reliebility.

On topic, too bad about 7m power alot of good info on that site!

And I J, Zapp Brannigan FTW!

Just my thoughts...

/Jerry

 

[blackgamer16]

I don't see how owning a mk3 owner makes you cheap bastards. Come on.. a 15-20 year old car that you have to fix one problem after another, Just to keep it running. To me that makes you some pretty wealthy guy or else we would be owning newer cars with warrantee's and or just buying a reliable honda or something. That wouldn't require a ton amount of maintance.

I agree with some points from flubyux2 but not all. Yes, owning a mkiii means that you have a standard to live by. Its not like you have a honda and make it quick and decent is enough(not bashing on honda's but just for example... infact i like hondas). I feel being a Supra guy/girl means that you have to excel past any other import. Am tired of these v8 guys talking all this trash on how no imports wanting to come out and play.Also am talking bout the big block/small block v8s not some stock mustang or a few bolt on parts. And realistically there is only a few import cars(supras,skylines,etc) here in the US that can actually come out and play. AND owning a Supra as an MK4 or an MK3 its still a Supra. The idea of that Toyota intended. Off course its harder to have an mk3 put down big WHP numbers. But yet thats what i thrive for and i think thats what everybody THRIVES for! It doesnt matter if you take 1 yr or 20 yrs. Aslong as you get there eventually or keep the tradition of excellence alive by driving your MK1,MK2,MK3, or MK4!


I think 400rwhp on a MK3 is decent, pretty good. but 500ish is where you start being considered a big boi.

Also i think the more mk3 owners we got into the 350 plus or the 400ish WHP range. Shows that we are pretty serious mk3 drivers. am tired of everybody thinking a mk3 is a slow dog. FUCK THAT... lol... Thats why am building bigger and better and each step wanting more and more to put that that 400ish WHP, than the 450whp, 500whp and see how far we can take the mk3 just like Many others are now.

All in all- build your car to whatever whp your comfortable with and just have fun. Go kick some ass, whoop up on some mustangs, corvettes, whatever. The way am looking at it- every component that faces an mk3 should go down! PERIOD!

thats just my .02 cents. that it as it worth
Blackgamer16

 

[madsupra88]

7mpower.com is defunct. that was based on standards set 10 years ago. things have progressed and here is what ive learned since then;

400rwhp is a joke.
bolt on turbo's are jokes too.

we own supras. Go big or go home!

a SMALL single is anything under a 67mm inducer
Mid sized singles are anything between 67mm and 76mm.
BIG singles are the bad bitches over 76mm!

Pump gas is Gay!
20psi is Gay!

maybe this is just what happens when i see GT42 powered mkiv's all day. maybe i got like this from having new standards that i picked up from MKIV people. i think ive adopted an MKIV ambition.. maybe thats just how we roll in florida though. from what i hear... most of the country thinks 400-500hp is "Big power" on a 7M. if you ask me... 400-500rwhp on a MK3 is "alright" or "decent".

im sure ill get flamed for saying those things. but, i beleive in surrounding yourself w/ people who Exceed your current status and itll force you to strive to be better than than them.

if you surround yourself w/ BPU mk3's who are satisfied w/ mediocre results, you will only strive to be mediocre.

i surround myself with people that have big budgets, big singles and big power. it makes me work harder so i can keep up and strive to exceed them. it might seem like ive got a big budget. the truth is, im the epitome of a Broke ass MK3 owner, ill admit it. im Ballin on a budget. you just have to know how to fabricate, innovate and be frugal. be smart w/ your money. i dont have $5000 to lay down on a big single project. i have a $500 turbo. i make my own parts. its how i plan to stay one-step behind the big-budget MKIV people.

live in the pond, not the fishbowl.

Honestly im not flamin u here or anything, but how many MKIV with all that big power get lower than 12's heh not many. how many 400-500 hp MKIII get between high 11's to high 10's heh i can name a few for you. thats why they call them dynoqueens

 

[flubyux2]

imsorry if some of you people got offended by my broad generalizations.i know not EVERY mk3 owner is cheap... but the majority is. the crowd is dominated by the 16-21 crowd who are looking for a cheap car to mod.

i know people w/ 1000+rwhp cars. they are driven on the streets. they have liscense plates, they have power steering, air conditioning, full interior and complet stereo systems with speaker boxes. these people can drive and HAVE driven their cars on the streets in rain and shine. in fact, i know people that take ROAD Trips of 2000miles ormore in these 1000rwhp cars. Cowboy bebop is a PRIME example. if you are out of boost, a 1000rwhp capable supra is just as tame as a stock NA mkiv... it dosent get any easier to drive than that. and when youve got a Tilton triple disc clutch, the engagement is only as abrupt as an RPS 6puck. the pedal pressure is LIGHTER on a Tilton than an RPS 6puck, this i know for a fact.

and yes, about the only way a 7M is gonna be able to hit that 1000rwhp mark is by revving it. thats pretty much the only way MKIV's hit 1000rwhp too; revving past stock redline. but its possible and people do it often. we've got better fuels, managment, tuners, turbos and engines than 10 years ago, even 5 years ago.

the old joke: "whats the difference between a 400hp, 600hp and 800hp supra? NOTHING< they all run 12's!" no longer applies. there are people running TENS on stock twins, people running NINES on street tires and cutting 1.2 60' times on those tires. times are changing people, lets open our eyes a little more. how many times can you ask "what 10 year old street car beats liter-bikes on a regular basis?" without hearing the answer "a Supra"?

1) Marco
2) Lar @ SP
3) Bob Helms x2
4) Woon
5) Dana @ VW
6) Jon Pratkanis
7) Ken Henderson SPE
8) Jim Swantko
9) Paul @ MSP x2
10) Stephane
11) Ian-WOTM built
12) Fabio
13) Kean @ BL
14) Cody Phillips
15) Titan
16) Errol @ TPS
17) Albert Diaz
18) Jason Siebels
19) Saad Saad x2
20) Tim Iacoli
21) Jamie Carter
22) Dave Mashour
23) Tommy Banh @ Autobahn
24) *AAP -AAP/PHR built
25) Matt Scranton
26) Sherbaz
27) Don Summerton AP Engineering
28) Gary White Titan
29) Henry Nguyen
30) ghlisa
31) Obiwan (Ben Phillips) PHR
32) *Jarrett Humphries PHR
33) Ross Baird PHR
34) Dustin Womack MVP

more than half those cars are street-driven with liscense plates and all the creature comforts. i personally know several of those people and can verify the cars are STREET driven and/or taken on road trips. i dont want to hear anymore talk about 1000rwhp cars not being streetable or able to be driven daily. these are SUPRA's, not big-block domestics that can only drive 20miles at a time, require C16 at all times and overheat if they idle for more than 2 minutes.

 

[Allan_MA70]

again...

and a 1000rwhp supra is EASY to drive on the street.

How do you know?

 

[Slow66]

this thread is funnay

 

[antman]

flyby is tring out for fast and furious 4.... "betta Reckanize!"

 

[Jspec7m88]

Needless to say, I'll have to agree with Bryan. This is one of those type of threads where I actually don't post much/if at all. I'm just waiting to see what the next educated person is going to say. :nono:





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