2jz mkiii gets no love

[tissimo]

On SF theres a thread going down where we're discussing the drag classes of the mk3s in tx2k7.. anyways quite a bit of people think that mkiiis with 2js are mkivs and should run with them. I am interested to see how people feel over here.

My opinion is that It kind of sucks I spend all this time/money to put a 2jz into my car just to be shunned by the mkiii people and have to compete with other cars. I say I have a mkiii and should be in the mkiii class (An unlimited or 'super modified class' not just any mkiii class). If I am faster then you or whatever, then step it up, dont cry. Why shove me into another class so you can get a handy cap?


Please lets not make this a debate whether x engine is better then x, just should a 2j mkiii be in a mkiv class.

 

[Idealsupra]

you know my thoughts...i still love you justin and what youve done to that car is awesome.... we both know that.... i just think if you are using a 2j you should be put with other 2js....... its just me.. :dunno: either way it would be nice to have more cars caravanning there so thats all that matters...

EDIT: oooo im winning the poll

EDIT2: for the RECORD...if the mk3s were allowed THREE classes... such as modified, super modified, and unlimited.... i would say by all means let the unlimited be run what you brung anything allowed any engine etc..... that would be IDEAL....i would think you could agree with that. maybe we can get enough people signed up for the drag racing to make peter have three classes for the mk3? like they do with the mk4.....

 

[ViR2]

2JZ - yes
1JZ - no

 

[Idealsupra]

2JZ - yes
1JZ - no

he said 2jz and 1.5jz which means 2jz bottom end and 1j head. which in essence would still make it a 2j imo...

 

[The Reaper]

i say no its a mkiii no matter how you look at it....period

this should give the 7M lovers and 1J lovers sme god damn motivation to step up their game not push us aside so they have a better chance at winning a piece of plastic.

you might as well break it into engine categories

best 7M best 1J and best 2J

and by the way how are the SC300's gonna compete theres no SC300 class

UH OH DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN

 

[tissimo]

EDIT2: for the RECORD...if the mk3s were allowed THREE classes... such as modified, super modified, and unlimited.... i would say by all means let the unlimited be run what you brung anything allowed any engine etc..... that would be IDEAL....i would think you could agree with that. maybe we can get enough people signed up for the drag racing to make peter have three classes for the mk3? like they do with the mk4.....

that would be ideal, but then with an Unlimited class, you get into a whole different ball game. (slow66s new car, blackhalfed non stock suspension etc). It is unlimited so he should be allowed to run.... a little unfair to a stock chassis.... But then again.. my own words 'step it up'. a auto irs car can run close to what a solid axle car could.

And then theres the problem of filling the classes to make it competitive and fun (so you just dont race 2-3 people). trying to please everyone is hard.. I think a percise set of rules should be set (turbo sizes for modified/supermodified, engines, managments (piggyback/standalone) etc)

 

[Idealsupra]

i say no its a mkiii no matter how you look at it....period

this should give the 7M lovers and 1J lovers sme god damn motivation to step up their game not push us aside so they have a better chance at winning a piece of plastic.

you might as well break it into engine categories

best 7M best 1J and best 2J

and by the way how are the SC300's gonna compete theres no SC300 class

UH OH DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN

ummm thats because its a SUUUUUUUUUPRA MEET...NOT A SC300 MEET....THEY ARENT COMPETING IN ANYTHING BUT THE OVERALL UNLIMITED CLASS....

 

[Idealsupra]

that would be ideal, but then with an Unlimited class, you get into a whole different ball game. (slow66s new car, blackhalfed non stock suspension etc). It is unlimited so he should be allowed to run.... a little unfair to a stock chassis.... But then again.. my own words 'step it up'. a auto irs car can run close to what a solid axle car could.

And then theres the problem of filling the classes to make it competitive and fun (so you just dont race 2-3 people). trying to please everyone is hard.. I think a percise set of rules should be set (turbo sizes for modified/supermodified, engines, managments (piggyback/standalone) etc)

HAHA well exactly you answered your own question with the first part.... unlimited is just that.... you do whatever you want to the car and race against other people who have done the same...anyone with a mk3 SHELL is allowed..... the other ones would be what have you done with the engines that CAME in the car.... i think thats how it should be honestly.....

and your second thing brings me to another point of having 2js race.... who is going to pay money to race (especially the what almost 80 bucks) in the modified class...which is pretty much just bpu 7ms 1jz making around 350hp more then likely...... to race against a bpu 2j which will make over 400? it makes no sense...which is another reason why i said 2js should be with the mk4s....

its not just a matter of being scared of the almighty 2j... its that you have to set this up just RIGHT TO MAKE THE MOST PEOPLE HAPPY.....meaning to have the most people sign up and race.... and unfortunetly i think that means putting the 2j mk3s with the mk4s. OR having enough committed and creating an unlimited mk3 class....WHICH could be possible if you have enough 2j cars, bryan should be there running etc etc.....

so how about instead of arguing over bullshit we become productive and proactive and try to make three classes happen?

 

[tissimo]

HAHA well exactly you answered your own question with the first part.... unlimited is just that.... you do whatever you want to the car and race against other people who have done the same...anyone with a mk3 SHELL is allowed..... the other ones would be what have you done with the engines that CAME in the car.... i think thats how it should be honestly.....

and your second thing brings me to another point of having 2js race.... who is going to pay money to race (especially the what almost 80 bucks) in the modified class...which is pretty much just bpu 7ms 1jz making around 350hp more then likely...... to race against a bpu 2j which will make over 400? it makes no sense...which is another reason why i said 2js should be with the mk4s....

its not just a matter of being scared of the almighty 2j... its that you have to set this up just RIGHT TO MAKE THE MOST PEOPLE HAPPY.....meaning to have the most people sign up and race.... and unfortunetly i think that means putting the 2j mk3s with the mk4s. OR having enough committed and creating an unlimited mk3 class....WHICH could be possible if you have enough 2j cars, bryan should be there running etc etc.....

so how about instead of arguing over bullshit we become productive and proactive and try to make three classes happen?

Im not saying allowing the 2j mkiiis (stock twins or not) into the 'bpu' class.. the upper class, where any turbo goes.

 

[The Reaper]

and your second thing brings me to another point of having 2js race.... who is going to pay money to race (especially the what almost 80 bucks) in the modified class...which is pretty much just bpu 7ms 1jz making around 350hp more then likely...... to race against a bpu 2j which will make over 400? it makes no sense...which is another reason why i said 2js should be with the mk4s....

ok well then that works on our end to mkiv's weigh less then mkiii's and they always go faster with the same driver and same power because of all the factors a mkiv chassis has over our cars. so we'd be paying what 80 bucks to run against cars we can't beat then......

i dunno i think mkiii is a mkiii ......theres always some one faster just cause someone was smarter and went with a 2J swap doesn't mean they should be pushed aside

this whole thing is bullshit which is why when i get my car done i will remain an out cast and never head to these types of meets where people whine and gripe

 

[Idealsupra]

lol.... the mk4 weighs at most 100 LBS less then a mk3 in STOCK trim.... pull out the drivers seat and put in a racing seat and you are the same weight....or get a hardtop and you are the same weight. weight is negligible.

the mk4 setup is pretty much the same as the mk3...both have IRS both have similar aero.... and with a 2j in the mk3...they both have the same engine... your arguements hold no water in those facets...

you say someone was smarter...i say someone was lazier... in the end its just the fact they wanted to go with that engine...nothing more nothing less.... like ive said before the 2j is a lot easier to make good power with then the 7m. and thats fine by me.

i also find it funny you are saying you will stay away because people bitch and whine...but in reality you are the only one bitching and whining...ive made points and had discussions about why things should be a certain way...you have called me names and complained

 

[suprastanger507mgte]

It depends, either they should classify bythe type of engine, or the type of chasis in the races.

If you say MKIII, then it should run in the MKIII regardless of what engine.
The chasis / style is still mkiii.

 

[The Reaper]

lol.... the mk4 weighs at most 100 LBS more then a mk3 in STOCK trim.... pull out the drivers seat and put in a racing seat and you are the same weight....or get a hardtop and you are the same weight. weight is negligible.

the mk4 setup is pretty much the same as the mk4...both have IRS both have similar aero.... and with a 2j in the mk3...they both have the same engine... your arguements hold no water in those facets...

you say someone was smarter...i say someone was lazier... in the end its just the fact they wanted to go with that engine...nothing more nothing less.... like ive said before the 2j is a lot easier to make good power with then the 7m. and thats fine by me.

i also find it funny you are saying you will stay away because people bitch and whine...but in reality you are the only one bitching and whining...ive made points and had discussions about why things should be a certain way...you have called me names and complained

you might wanna fix that WHOLE beginning part

MKIV's are lighter than mkiii's smart guy

and i'd hope the mk4 set up is the same as the mk4 cause they are both mk4's!!!!

in the SF thread is what im talking about

all the mkiii guys whining about 2J's in mkiii's.....so we're smarter all the 1j vs 2j vs 7m threads that are on there people say all the motors can do the samething so it should ALL be run what ya brung and NO classes at all.

 

[mhopemk3]

Your asking so.. Being that the highest HP 7M that I know of (not being a drag motor) is not that close to what the stock bottom end will hold on a 2JZ. I think the class of car should remain in what motor that the car was built with.. I mean, how many MKIII's have made 900-1000whp?? That would be like saying Lets race MKIII(7M) against MKIII(with a mclaren drivetrain) The chassis doesnt mean jack..

My opinion.. Don't hate...

 

[Satan]

...we are definitely dis-owned when it comes to this issue.

If I wanted an MKIV, I'd get one. I wanted a more reliable/newer engine and the notoriety that comes with it. I'm sure that a 500 HP 7M (MKIII) will beat my stock 2J (MKIII), so why should I be in a different class?

It's silly.... what class would you put the MKIII that has the Chevy 350 in it? Domestics?

 

[tissimo]

Your asking so.. Being that the highest HP 7M that I know of (not being a drag motor) is not that close to what the stock bottom end will hold on a 2JZ. I think the class of car should remain in what motor that the car was built with.. I mean, how many MKIII's have made 900-1000whp?? That would be like saying Lets race MKIII(7M) against MKIII(with a mclaren drivetrain) The chassis doesnt mean jack..

My opinion.. Don't hate...

im sure duane could out run a mclaren drivetrained mkiii.. but again.. Its a mkiii, bring it. It wont be a in a 'bpu' class but the upper class

 

[group a supra]

i voted no just my 2 cents

 

[bigaaron]

I think there should be a handicap based on how much money was spent on the car :biglaugh:
Plus, it usually goes something like this:
$10,000 MK3 = 12 sec Supra
$80,000 MK4 = 12 sec Supra

 

[Idealsupra]

you might wanna fix that WHOLE beginning part

MKIV's are lighter than mkiii's smart guy

and i'd hope the mk4 set up is the same as the mk4 cause they are both mk4's!!!!

in the SF thread is what im talking about

all the mkiii guys whining about 2J's in mkiii's.....so we're smarter all the 1j vs 2j vs 7m threads that are on there people say all the motors can do the samething so it should ALL be run what ya brung and NO classes at all.

lol so youre getting on me about me mistyping now? you KNOW what i meant there....and i fixed it just for you

 

[Idealsupra]

I think there should be a handicap based on how much money was spent on the car :biglaugh:
Plus, it usually goes something like this:
$10,000 MK3 = 12 sec Supra
$80,000 MK4 = 12 sec Supra

hmmm i think we are onto something here.... heh :biglaugh: