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claricae86

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this is when you say ok you dont have to pull my leg, ill search from now on. this site is also one of the nicest sites ive ever been on as far as e thugness. go ask this question on the dreaded sf and see how many bold lettered FU's you will get compared to here where you get told to search or they answer the question
 

iwannadie

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isnms said:
I just wonder:
If you couldn't find the answer to your question in over 100 threads, provided you were usind adequate search terms -
Why would you want to ask your question on this forum, as the posters couldn't be very bright :biglaugh:
Unless you had such a unique question. In that case I wouldn't see how you would get the 'search' reply.

its not a case of the search didnt answer the question. its more of a case of wanting More info.

bringing back the oil filter thread. i searched and read all the posts i could take even ventured over to bob the oil guy to read there.

however, after all that reading i still couldnt see which was the most common filter Used. alot of people talked about this or that filter being bad. others praised certain filter types and technology. of course some people mentioned brands, at the end though i just wanted to simple know which filter people Used.

with that thread i got the info i wanted, i dont see how getting the info i wanted can be bad in the end? the people who posted did so to help, the people who didnt want to help or thought i should have searched stayed out.
 

isnms

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The people stating the qualities of one type filter likely use that filter. Those expressing satisfaction in another type filter likely use that filter. You then take all that information and make your own decision of which filter to use.
 

iwannadie

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isnms said:
The people stating the qualities of one type filter likely use that filter. Those expressing satisfaction in another type filter likely use that filter. You then take all that information and make your own decision of which filter to use.


key word 'likely', i know people that recommend all sorts of stuff. youd be surprised by how oftern they dont use wht they reccomend.

in the end i did make my own decision with the most info i could gather.
 

thesandymancan

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iwannadie said:
i like how im labeled as lazy because i dont want to dig through 100s of posts. the same people saying im lazy are the ones that dont want to have to answer questions again? seems like its the same kinda thing to me, one group doesnt want to search one group doesnt want to re-answer. if both just go about their business everyone would be happy.

also, i do search before i post as i said before and before that. everyone acts like i(and others) dont search at all. when i do, doesnt mean i dont want to ask the questions Again.

wow... so, you want someone to answer a question for you, that they or others may have already answered? why should they have to, because you're too lazy/needy to deduce an answer for yourself, from the information that they or others may have already posted? i don't think they are lazy, i'm surprised more aren’t ranting about stupid people that don't use the search function properly. :3d_frown:

/rant
 

TurboStreetCar

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what i find funny is that if we ask a question thats been covered, everyone says search, but if its so well known why cant you just type the sentence to answer it.

also if we ask a question thats already thats already been answered we get told to search, and if we revive an old thread we get flamed for bringing it back because its already been discussed.

granted supramania is ALOT better then supraforums, not that im telling anyone here anything new. i just think its rediculious that when i search for something i scroll threw 34362345 threads that say search and 25 pages later i find the origional that actually has the answer.

saying search just adds to the number of results in a search that are not helpfull.
 
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MKIIINA

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ya know maybe a 48 hr ban would be good, for the thread starter to realize what a good thing the community is and appreciate all the hard work and knowledge is put into keeping it up and running?
 

cwapface

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give a man a fish, he eats for a day.

teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime.

:biglaugh:

Why would there even be a search function if 'all they had to do' was answer the same questions over and over?
 

CRE

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nosechunks said:
what i find funny is that if we ask a question thats been covered, everyone says search, but if its so well known why cant you just type the sentence to answer it.

Because all too often there's a lot more information you *SHOULD* want to know that comes hand in hand with the answer. Every single one of these "handouts" also adds to the resultant clutter found when searching.

nosechunks said:
also if we ask a question thats already thats already been answered we get told to search, and if we revive an old thread we get flamed for bringing it back because its already been discussed.

I agree, that's bullshit... there's no reason to get on someone's case for asking for further information provided it is actually relevant to the thread they're resurrecting.

nosechunks said:
granted supramania is ALOT better then supraforums, not that im telling anyone here anything new. i just think its rediculious that when i search for something i scroll threw 34362345 threads that say search and 25 pages later i find the origional that actually has the answer.

saying search just adds to the number of results in a search that are not helpfull.

An excellent point and something which I have run across on numerous occasions. However (as I mentioned above), it is equally irritating to find a thread seeking the same info I'm looking for and to only find a cliff notes answer... just enough to please the posted but too little info for me when had the originator of the post simply dug a little deeper they would have found their desired answer and it wouldn't have been pushed to the 9th page of results by then.... IT'S A NUSIANCE!!!
 

jetjock

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First, most everything needed is usually in the TSRM. Second, try searching other than this forum. Third, as long as I'm pulling down the big bux for doing this I'll be happy to accurately answer any question people like the OP ask. My Paypal is standing by in exchange for putting in the years of effort they refuse to. Until then they get put on my no reply list.

Fourth, opinion offered by others is just that. The only way to separate opinion from truth is to learn. The problem is learning takes real thinking and many people would rather die than think. Hell, some just wannadie period. And die they will, after a life spent listening to others who may or may not be qualified to offer advice about anything. Such an existence creeps me out just thinking about it. Always has.
 

TurboStreetCar

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CRE said:
Because all too often there's a lot more information you *SHOULD* want to know that comes hand in hand with the answer. Every single one of these "handouts" also adds to the resultant clutter found when searching.

i can understand waht threads like "what turbo is the right size for me" are posted because thats just something that fits individual needs. but at the same time, everytime a thread is started and ends in search with no answer. it just makes it harder to find anything with the search.
 

ma71supraturbo

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SLO-MK3 said:
ibtl

shouldn't this be in off-topic?

I'm almost inclined to sticky it. I think the original poster brought up some issues many people feel from time to time, but most of the people who have replied have posted constructive criticism.

The search is a powerful tool, but like all tools it does have limitations. I don't think anyone will fault you for unsuccessfully trying to find an answer by searching, but you will find yourself in hot water if you don't even bother to try.
 

GrimJack

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isnms said:
I haven't run across threads, here, that end in search. Maybe I'm just lucky :)
If you do - or anyone does, for that matter, let me know. There are few things that annoy me more than useless threads, and that would be completely useless.

IMO (and I like to think that my opinion carries a bit of weight around here) telling someone to search is useless. It annoys the newb, even when it's deserved, and it ruins the future searchability for the site. Further, the newb won't learn anything and will post another thread asking about the common symptoms of a BHG next.

IMO (again) anyone telling someone to search should supply tested search terms and / or tips for searching in the right forum, date range, whatever is appropriate to the situation. This will teach the newb how to search - they will start learning how to use the software we have, stop annoying the old timers, and everyone will live happily ever after.

JetJock's method applies equally well - and while I have found that I can usually get answers by appearing to be asking intelligent questions, asking respectfully, and being thankful for the information given, instead of paypal, your mileage may vary.
 

jetjock

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My point about Paypal was since we're all doing this for free no one has any right to expect an answer. I'm sure not going to put out when someone openly admits they're too lazy to do a little research. It all evens out though. In my defense a dislike of spoon feeding is common among philomathic/polymathic individuals. In his defense how can you expect someone to do research when they're too lazy to use the shift key?
 

iwannadie

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ma71supraturbo said:
I'm almost inclined to sticky it. I think the original poster brought up some issues many people feel from time to time, but most of the people who have replied have posted constructive criticism.

The search is a powerful tool, but like all tools it does have limitations. I don't think anyone will fault you for unsuccessfully trying to find an answer by searching, but you will find yourself in hot water if you don't even bother to try.

so im not banned?
 

Supracentral

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iwannadie said:
so im not banned?

No, you aren't banned.

But since I'm wasting my time replying to you, here's something you can do:

Ask yourself the question, why would we help you?

I'd suggest you read this.

But since basic capitalization and punctuation seem to be too difficult for you, you won't read that page. You're too lazy.

So I'll give you this one section from it in the hope that you aren't too lazy to at least read this small portion of it:

Supracentral said:
The first thing to understand is that a lot of the technical people you'll find around here actually like hard problems and good, thought-provoking questions about them. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here. If you give us an interesting question to chew on we'll be grateful to you; good questions are a stimulus and a gift. Good questions help us develop our understanding, and often reveal problems we might not have noticed or thought about otherwise. "Good question!" is a strong and sincere compliment.

Despite this, a lot of us oldschool guys have a reputation for meeting simple questions with what looks like hostility or arrogance. It sometimes looks like we're reflexively rude to newbies and the ignorant. But this isn't really true.

What we are, unapologetically, is hostile to people who seem to be unwilling to think or to do their own homework before asking a question. People like that are time sinks - they take without giving back, and they waste time we could have spent on another question more interesting and another person more worthy of an answer.

We realize that there are many people who just want to drive the car, and who have no interest in learning technical details. For most people, a car is merely transportation, a means to an end; they have more important things to do and lives to live. We acknowledge that, and don't expect everyone to take an interest in the technical matters that fascinate us. Nevertheless, our style of answering questions is tuned for people who do take such an interest and are willing to be active participants in problem-solving. That's not going to change. Nor should it; if it did, we would become less effective at the things we do best.

We're volunteers. We take time out of busy lives to answer questions, and at times we're overwhelmed with them. So we filter what we answer. In particular, we don't reply to questions from people who appear to be "time sinks" in order to spend our question-answering time more efficiently, On people who will use the information we provide & will learn from it...

If you find this attitude obnoxious, condescending, or arrogant, check your assumptions. We're not asking you to genuflect to us -- in fact, most of us would love nothing more than to deal with you as an equal and welcome you into our culture, if you put in the effort required to make that possible. But it's simply not efficient or practical for us to try to help people who are not willing to help themselves. It's OK to be ignorant; it's not OK to be stupid.

So, while it isn't necessary to already be technically competent with the car to get attention from us, it is necessary to demonstrate the kind of attitude that leads to competence - alert, thoughtful, observant, willing to be an active partner in developing a solution. If you can't live with this sort of discrimination, we suggest you stop working on the Supra, sell it and buy a Honda Civic (they are cheap & reliable if left stock) instead of asking us to personally donate help to you.

If you decide to come to us for help, you don't want to be one of the "time-sinks". You don't want to seem like one, either. The best way to get a rapid and responsive answer is to ask it like a person with smarts, confidence, and clues who just happens to need help on one particular problem.

In other words, why the fuck should I invest my time in replying to your post when you obviously don't give a shit enough to make your posts legible and presentable? You can't provide us with the minimal level of respect that it would take to use proper punctuation.. You can't even whip up the extra energy to press the shift key at the beginning of a sentence?

On top of that, aside from admitting you are too damned lazy to try to help yourself with a search, you have the unmitigated gall to bitch at the people who do bother to read your drivel and reply?

Simply put, you aren't worth my time. You are the personification of what's wrong with many people these days. You are lazy, ignorant, disrespectful and seem to think you are entitled to something. I find you offensive.

But I won't ban you, I'll just ignore you, you aren't worth any more effort than that.

Is that clear enough for you?
 

jimi87-t

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nosechunks said:
i just think its rediculious that when i search for something i scroll threw 34362345 threads that say search and 25 pages later i find the origional that actually has the answer.

saying search just adds to the number of results in a search that are not helpfull.

This is not the fault of the ones with answers, this is the fault of the ones like the thread starter for not searching. We wouldn't have all those threads IF PEOPLE WOULD SEARCH, now would we?