I want to know if it has been done or is it even possible to put OVER 1000hp on a 7MGTE motor? Im not saying 900hp or 800hp im saying over the 1000hp mark to the wheels. I just haven't heard of one yet. I know that much power is not necessary on a 7MGTE, but i just want to know.
1000hp 7MGTE
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That's what I was thinkin...I forget his name but someone is running a 1000horse plus 7m powered drag car...I don't think the 7m I streetable at that power....not much is
I read in Modified Mag(I think) that at TX2K9 somebody broke the 1000rwhp mark. With appropriate mods and alot of good head work the 7M can hit that lofty figure. Also a matter of the right turbo. If built and tuned right you can make it almost as good as a 2j.
Theoretically, a 1000hp 7m would be pretty much the same as a 1000hp 2jz, aside from the 7m being built a little stronger, and maybe boosted a little more. Its entirely possible to see 1000+ on a 7m engine. Whether it is streetable in a supra chassis is another story. I would have to say yes to that too though =/
:icon_biggI believe 1000 hp 7 mgte is do able,maybe not real streetable.There's 3 litre moters out at Bonneville producing that number,if not more depending on elevation.Plus they have to maintain that power for 2 to 5 miles,not a 5 second dyno pull or 9 sec. drag race.Hopefully with the LS car I'm building we'll find out,if it can hold 1000 hp for a minute and a half....Think it can??RS
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Anything is possible.
Money is the lubricant for this type of project.
There are much more simple way to make a 1000rwhp street car, that will cost less money, and are proven as reliable ways to do it.
However, it's a good challenge, and there are a few 1k+rwhp 7M based engines out there.
The reality is, with that kind of power, traction is a serious problem. Even if you start with a AWD platform, add in over about 800hp to the wheels, and it's just tire smoke most of the time.
There are many 1khp cars that "limit" the power off the line, and then allow more and more as the speed goes up to keep the tire slip to a certain percentage so the car can still acclerate. (When they calculate the changes wrong, the car is either slower than it could be, or the tires break loose, and the car can wreck, or again is slower than it could be.)
On the street, that calculation is in your right foot. Most people have a steep learning curve for this type of vehicle. (IE: Sideways at high speed, into a wall or other solid object, and they are lucky if they walk away alive.)
I see it on sport bikes constantly. Put a 150lb rider on a 180hp bike that is less than 400lbs wet. If the throttle is used too much, the bike either flips over, tossing the rider and destroying the bike, or the rear wheel slips out, and the bike goes down for a tumble, often catching up the rider in the process. To put this into persective, to get the same power to weight ratio, a Supra would need about a thousand at the wheels to just compete with a bike you can go in, plunk down 13k, and ride off the dealer lot with.
Do some mods to the bike, and they are even faster. (Again, everything is traction limited however, so apples to apples, you'd need a bike with drag slicks on it to compete with a car with drag slicks, but most tires for bikes are pretty sticky to start with, so again, the bikes have the advantage when ridden correctly.)
So, back on topic.. Sure you can build a 1k 7M MK3. (In theory, the "hard parts" inside my motor can handle that kind of power. It's going to take a much larger turbo, intake mods and a host of other expensive stuff to feed the motor that much air and fuel however.) I'm just happy it's running, and at 11psi of boost, can break the rear tires free at will. (Wait till I start adding more boost.. LOL)
Perhaps I'll find out if 650 to 700hp is enough for me on this car? (I think it will be, and it should be reliable for awhile at that power level since it's built for much more.)
Money is the lubricant for this type of project.
There are much more simple way to make a 1000rwhp street car, that will cost less money, and are proven as reliable ways to do it.
However, it's a good challenge, and there are a few 1k+rwhp 7M based engines out there.
The reality is, with that kind of power, traction is a serious problem. Even if you start with a AWD platform, add in over about 800hp to the wheels, and it's just tire smoke most of the time.
There are many 1khp cars that "limit" the power off the line, and then allow more and more as the speed goes up to keep the tire slip to a certain percentage so the car can still acclerate. (When they calculate the changes wrong, the car is either slower than it could be, or the tires break loose, and the car can wreck, or again is slower than it could be.)
On the street, that calculation is in your right foot. Most people have a steep learning curve for this type of vehicle. (IE: Sideways at high speed, into a wall or other solid object, and they are lucky if they walk away alive.)
I see it on sport bikes constantly. Put a 150lb rider on a 180hp bike that is less than 400lbs wet. If the throttle is used too much, the bike either flips over, tossing the rider and destroying the bike, or the rear wheel slips out, and the bike goes down for a tumble, often catching up the rider in the process. To put this into persective, to get the same power to weight ratio, a Supra would need about a thousand at the wheels to just compete with a bike you can go in, plunk down 13k, and ride off the dealer lot with.
Do some mods to the bike, and they are even faster. (Again, everything is traction limited however, so apples to apples, you'd need a bike with drag slicks on it to compete with a car with drag slicks, but most tires for bikes are pretty sticky to start with, so again, the bikes have the advantage when ridden correctly.)
So, back on topic.. Sure you can build a 1k 7M MK3. (In theory, the "hard parts" inside my motor can handle that kind of power. It's going to take a much larger turbo, intake mods and a host of other expensive stuff to feed the motor that much air and fuel however.) I'm just happy it's running, and at 11psi of boost, can break the rear tires free at will. (Wait till I start adding more boost.. LOL)
Perhaps I'll find out if 650 to 700hp is enough for me on this car? (I think it will be, and it should be reliable for awhile at that power level since it's built for much more.)
landspeedrich;1215798 said:
That's a great point! Also with the "streetable" and "usable" factors. I guess to answer the origonal question: Can it be done? Answer : yes!
Should it be done?.........Depends on what you want to use it for. Lots of those guys at the big Supra meets make a couple dyno pulls to get an average and a big certifacate, then if they haven't blown up they turn the volume back down to a usable power. I have driven several 600+rwhp cars and they have a hard enough time getting traction in any kind of use. Guess that's why Supra guys love the roll.
I say don't go above 800rwhp, but that's me.
theKnifeArtist;1215880 said:
LOL. Adjuster is just that amazing. He can't deny it......:biglaugh:
So...Does anyone know if Tony broke the 1000 barrier yet?
I could've swore he did...er, at least had all the ingredients to do so, anyway.
Can a 7M make 1,xxx? Yes.
You know...This leaves me really wondering sometimes.
Kind of like how it was believed that ages ago, the richest of all riches practically never bathed because according to "the professionals", it was bad for your skin & health.
They'd have sworn up and down THIS was correct.
Hundreds of years later...We know, it's the exact opposite.
I use this in comparison to "What is a 7M capable of?"
Even just 5-6 years ago, As it was believed by the "experts",
A 7M was reaching its power limits beyond what, 600RWHP?
You old timers, You remember when 400RWHP was a big accomplishment.
(Refer to the outdated 7mpower.com for proof of this).
With the tools we've been given today, and as the aftermarket support grows with more R&D put in,
Nobody ever, EVER, EVER would've imagined in a thousand years a 7M could make 1000RWHP.
My point? .......Duane, Bryan, IJ, Nate, Tony, etc...
Get your asses a'movin'! :biglaugh:
You've got a future to with uphold!
Jeff
I almost feel bad that my name isnt on that list... It should be... If I could get off my ass and participate more... I feel Im letting this community down by not finishing what I started so long ago...Boost Lee;1215958 said:
1000hp, yes it can be done... A whole lot of head work? It doesnt take as much as people think... P&P the head, o/s valves, replace the springs if you feel like high revving it... Out heads flow well as it is... It doesnt take much to make them out flow even the mighty 2J... Build the bottom end though and make sure your oil system is perfect...
I think the thing is, really, the true question is: why? Who really needs that much power? And on the street? Useless... The only thing 1000hp is good for is dick compensation, pissing contests, and the like... The funny thing is, with our cars, as heavy as they are, at 512rwhp, I went from 60mph to 120mph in about 3 seconds... Ok, so, do you need more than that?
To add to Jake's post,
In my particular case with the way my car is setup on low profile able to corner street tires that are non "R" 400 at the wheels is about it, I make a reliable consistant 470rwhp and at that TRAC is pulling power unless the road is perfectly smooth and I have more than 3/4 of a tank of fuel.
Without TRAC it will light the rears at will at most speeds and is utterly useless as anything but a pose.
In my particular case with the way my car is setup on low profile able to corner street tires that are non "R" 400 at the wheels is about it, I make a reliable consistant 470rwhp and at that TRAC is pulling power unless the road is perfectly smooth and I have more than 3/4 of a tank of fuel.
Without TRAC it will light the rears at will at most speeds and is utterly useless as anything but a pose.
Don't feel bad, Jake. If it makes things any better, I had originally started typing out all the big 7M guys and you WERE listed....but I didn't want to list 80 people and then end up leaving others out.
I guess I'm just that sincere of a guy...:icon_bigg
Besides...You are on the list.
See... :biglaugh:
Jeff
I guess I'm just that sincere of a guy...:icon_bigg
Reign_Maker;1215986 said:
Besides...You are on the list.
See... :biglaugh:
Boost Lee;1215958 said:
Jeff
the 7m will never compete with the 2jz it just can't in less some one makes a new head that is not pile of dog shit
7mgte major down fall
it's funny most off all these drag cars out there have less then 1000 rpm off full boost
this is one reson why i am runing no2 in my car to make my power band bigger
mabye if will all team up and emailed some like edelbrock to make head for the 7m then 1000 whoudl be easy
face it the 7m's head is crap the injecotrs are in bad spot ect
7mgte major down fall
it's funny most off all these drag cars out there have less then 1000 rpm off full boost
this is one reson why i am runing no2 in my car to make my power band bigger
mabye if will all team up and emailed some like edelbrock to make head for the 7m then 1000 whoudl be easy
face it the 7m's head is crap the injecotrs are in bad spot ect
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