You've got to see this GTR.

[Cz.]

I don't know why you bother explaining it to them, they're either toyota fan boys or don't really know what they're talking about, either way they're too close minded to listen to reason.

 

[drunk_medic]

And you wonder why honda's have short gears?

heck, when I take off from a redlight I routinely rev to 2500-3000 and slowly engauge the clutch.....knowing that I have one of the most powerful clutches in RPS's line...it engauges quite quick.

Dissing on the RB is just retarded....
Give me one example of an RB having a low tq number? Those motors are a marval of modern day engineering. For one, on the stock head...it can handle 9K rpm.....the bottem end can take upwards of 1000whp ( yes just like the 2jz)....and it has MINIMAL lag due to the combustion chamber design and the smaller stroke....

-Jonathan

When I put my intercooler on and cranked my boost controller to 13psi, I couldn't keep traction if I launched at 2500. I used to. To hook up correctly and not spin tires, I launch at 1500, and I am only using a TRD sport clutch.

As for the RB - it's stock internals don't handle the same as the 2JZ. I'm sorry, but RB internal kits have been offered for a long time, by many more companies than offer 2JZ internals. There are even replacement cranks - and I'm not talking about doing anything with the stroke - stock config cranks. Maybe they are made with lighter materials, but I'd be willing to bet that strength is more of the purpose - weight savings is just the benefit. This brings us back to strengthening the stock internals AND pushing for higher rpm. Maybe the RB-X motor can take it, but a RB26-DETT needs some internals worked between the 600-700hp mark.

 

[siman]

Your right!

On with the GTR!

Pheonixs Power SPL's 980hp GTR

Powerhouse Amuse carbon-R

Top Secrets VQ Powered R34

Need we say more?:

1000hp RB26DET Top Secret drag motor:

Heck I was on the page...so might as well post Jun's AKIRA supra:

It litterally had too much power for a RWD configuration on the Tskuba circuit...many of you may have the video of it...I think it never made it any smaller than 1 minute around the course.....and what kind of car set the record there and at willow springs? an AWD car....Tskuba was the HKS carbon evo and Tarzan Yamada took the R34 Signal GTR around Buttonwillow or Willowsprings and set the fastest lap.....heh....I guess we should take note of no torque'd small discplacement turbo cars eh?

Hell, HKS drag MA70 supra had a discplacement of 2.89 liters vs. the 2.99....the decreased the stroke and revved the 7mgte to 9K rpm.....in lou of a BROADER and higher peak powerband.....

for what use is TORQUE at 60+mph????

-Jonathan

 

[siman]

When I put my intercooler on and cranked my boost controller to 13psi, I couldn't keep traction if I launched at 2500. I used to. To hook up correctly and not spin tires, I launch at 1500, and I am only using a TRD sport clutch.

As for the RB - it's stock internals don't handle the same as the 2JZ. I'm sorry, but RB internal kits have been offered for a long time, by many more companies than offer 2JZ internals. There are even replacement cranks - and I'm not talking about doing anything with the stroke - stock config cranks. Maybe they are made with lighter materials, but I'd be willing to bet that strength is more of the purpose - weight savings is just the benefit. This brings us back to strengthening the stock internals AND pushing for higher rpm. Maybe the RB-X motor can take it, but a RB26-DETT needs some internals worked between the 600-700hp mark.

And you have what knowlege to back those statements up?

Go to skylinesaustralia.com, pretty much the top 3 fastest GTR's in the world are on that site....all in Australia or New Zealand ( just south ). Search about the power band and torque numbers or even maximum hp ceilings on the RB while your at it.

I can only say that you will be astonished of what these smallish 2.6ltr motors can do.

I dont see why so many people are biased against them....its just weird.

-Jonathan

 

[I<3Supras]

:withstupi

 

[I<3Supras]

To bad there replacing the rb motors with the VQ. There Suppose to be a V8 correct. It looks like a muscle car engine except no Carbs. I Love the RB motors sooo much more. They should stay with the I6........

 

[I<3Supras]

Got this off of the site Siman was talking about.

»Top Five 1/4 Mile ETs
# Username Ride 60' 1/4 Mile ET &MPH
1 andrejp GTR700 1.321 8.273@
2 DABEAST VL 1.440 8.960@
3 Munro R33 GTR 1.485 9.459@
>4 Bezerkly 1975 Galant 1.320 9.670@ < there something u don't see everyday
5 theo R32 GTR 1.569 9.759@

 

[siman]

The reason Nissan AND toyota had to get rid of their inline 6 configurations was because of the NEW emmsions laws in japan and the world....for some reason the inline 6 turbo could not pass smog.

Much less, making an N/A inline 6 powerful...well its just not a "good" motor....its long...which means more chassis metal which means more $$$...and crash safety on an inline motor....well you cant really go there either. and just being an IRON block...its probably cheaper now for them to go with Aluminum blocks.....it doesnt corrod as bad either.

So there are MANY reasons they had to stop using the inline 6 forumla....

I believe with all of my heart and mind the RB is a BETTER designed motor than the 2jz. Its much along the lines with Toyota's 1jz...which is like the 2jz in every way...just the 2jz was more of a 'muscle motor' for torque hence the 3 liter and LONG stroke equation vs. the RB's big bore small stroke equation for power ( same as 1jz).

The 1jz and RB26 motors were BORN for track racing....high hp with high redlines...and small gears. When the 2jz came along generally for the american public that loved muscle machines....yeah.....it was taken from there.

I mean really, what american would of taken advantage of an inline 6 twin turbo high revving motor from Nissan? not many......why do you think the supra sold so poorly in most of its life? Its a sad truth....the American culture is lacking in its automotive energy, mainly for sports car racing. Japan is FLOURISHING in their racing series's
-Jonathan

 

[drunk_medic]

I know that the phrase "there's no replacement for displacement" has been KIND OF proven wrong [you can take a smaller displacement engine and use boost as artificial displacement by cramming a larger volume of air in the combustion chamber], and people use a little bit of technology to make more out of less, but you need SOME displacement to start with.
Now, the RB26 is a great motor. I don't see where you could catch that I have a bias against them. Simply put though, the 2JZ is the same build quality, with more displacement. Why would I even worry about an engine that I am not ever likely to own or encounter? Given the choice between the two engines, the 2JZ would be my choice, if not for the simplest argument that you can get a front clip with a 2JZ-GTE that has VVTi [I wouldn't want that, but for argument's sake, this is the newest, most expensive model of 2JZ] for less than the front clip from a GT-R33. We're not even talking about a GT-R34 - a '95 Skyline front clip will cost you more than a '99+ front clip of a car with a 2JZ.

 

[siman]

Got this off of the site Siman was talking about.

»Top Five 1/4 Mile ETs
# Username Ride 60' 1/4 Mile ET &MPH
1 andrejp GTR700 1.321 8.273@
2 DABEAST VL 1.440 8.960@
3 Munro R33 GTR 1.485 9.459@
>4 Bezerkly 1975 Galant 1.320 9.670@ < there something u don't see everyday
5 theo R32 GTR 1.569 9.759@

And remember, these are not TUBE chassis rides making these numbers...these are street bodied cars.

The fastest stock bodied supra would barely squeeze in halfway...and a 4 door galant with a 4g63 would give it a run for its money....now THATS sad :nono:

 

[I<3Supras]

Yes i agree now were all trying to save the environment... Sigh. Its all about eletric cars and what not. All the good cars are in Japan. Hmm i want to go to Japan one day and see what going on on the streets. I'll probably see skylines left and right. Now that's Skyline heaven :love:

 

[siman]

I know that the phrase "there's no replacement for displacement" has been KIND OF proven wrong [you can take a smaller displacement engine and use boost as artificial displacement by cramming a larger volume of air in the combustion chamber], and people use a little bit of technology to make more out of less, but you need SOME displacement to start with.
Now, the RB26 is a great motor. I don't see where you could catch that I have a bias against them. Simply put though, the 2JZ is the same build quality, with more displacement. Why would I even worry about an engine that I am not ever likely to own or encounter? Given the choice between the two engines, the 2JZ would be my choice, if not for the simplest argument that you can get a front clip with a 2JZ-GTE that has VVTi [I wouldn't want that, but for argument's sake, this is the newest, most expensive model of 2JZ] for less than the front clip from a GT-R33. We're not even talking about a GT-R34 - a '95 Skyline front clip will cost you more than a '99+ front clip of a car with a 2JZ.

Well the skyline is more $$ off the lot than the supra ever was anyways....its really a top doller machine over there...about as much as the new Z06, around $60K bucks in US money off the lot...the supra only got to about $45-50 TOPS.

plus...its a SKYLINE GTR...something you CANNOT GET in the USA period...there is a premium that will be charged just on that notion....heck I would If I was importing them...

A friend of mine here in town imported a container including 3 GTR's...2 R33's and one R32...all in great condition until they hit the US shores...a forklift went after their mid sections while unloading was being done. He had around 40 SR20DET's and 1 or 2 JZ motors...

He sold everything, he went to california and bidded on the container for around $25,000 US.....he sold over $50,000....good profit eh?
He was planning to take one of the better shape GTR's back to nashville to start making a drag car...but that obviously fell through.

He does drive his RB25DET'd S14 around daily though...greddy turbo upgrade and stuff....s15 steering wheel..and skyline gauge cluster....really nice flush fitment.

Belive me, I have driven the car...the RB25 feels LIGHTYEARS ahead of the 7m in just the "smoothness" and POWER it feels it has.....its weird.

 

[I<3Supras]

Well the 4g63 is nothing to mess with. Those Evo engines kick ass. I heard someone running a "lightened" Evo with around 5XX hp and it ran 9.5 in the 1/4 I think. It was awhile ago I'm not sure, i'll try to look it up and see what i find.

 

[northsupra]

The GTR are som extreme cars but RB vs JZ i think the jz is the best engine.

 

[siman]

How about a 8.555 second DSM? Obviously a GSX 1st gen.....but whats even more surprising...its a stock body:
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297413

Outside of car, 8.55
http://www.dsmtimes.org/shepherd/8.55@176.9.mpg

In car 9.7 spinning halfway down the track:
http://www.dsmtimes.org/shepherd/9.3@177.5.wmv

-Jonathan

 

[northsupra]

So siman get your self an awd and be happy, but there si no way they have the better engine :icon_bigg they just have the advantage of not spinning out of the block. and that whats makinging them fast.

 

[drunk_medic]

The 4G63 IS an awesome engine - it's too bad Mitsu didn't design a drivetrain that can properly handle it's potential, or the potential of the 6G72.

 

[Dirgle]

I think the RB26 is an awesome engine, and don't get me wrong I would give anything to get my hands on one and tinker with it. But I always have to do a double take when I see the engine in the car to make sure it isn't broken. There is nothing wrong with the performance of the engine so the only thing bothering me is purely aesthetic. It just looks wrong. The Toyota I6 are all even and square in then engine bay and that looks correct. As far as the RB26 vs. 2JZ debate I believe the 2JZ is better. Anybody can change the characteristic of a motor with enough money, but stock for stock the 2JZ has superior engineering. The 2JZ was over engineered to the point it could be used across multiple platforms over many different years. And that was done in a cost-effective way. The RB26 had a run across how many platforms, for how many years, for how much money? The RB26 is no doubt an awesome motor but it is over glorified because of how exotic it is.

 

[Orion ZyGarian]

IIRC, John Shepard's GSX also has full interior...or at least basic interior

 

[siman]

IIRC, John Shepard's GSX also has full interior...or at least basic interior

could you imagine street racing that car? an 8 second car????

that would be hillariously frightning.... :biglaugh: