Yeah Jake..lock my thread...

[tte]

Just when I come online after a hectic schedule and refund my last 4 customers...you lock my thread...

Then what is the use for sorting the problem out besides having a good conscious?

Cheers,
Roy

 

[kwnate]

hi.

 

[tte]

hi nate,

How are you?

Jake, I pmed you with the list of the last few ppl I owed.
All refunded and they will be pming you to prove it.
and then it will be time to get my name off that "THIEVES, SCAMMERS" list.

I bet a thief or a scammer does not refund ppl's money like I just did.
I could even post all the paypal transanctions on here to prove it.

Cheers,
Roy

 

[Facime]

I dont know you, and I wasnt gonna post in here until I walked away for a few minutes after reading the last 10 pages of your sales page.

Not a thief? Well, in the end you didnt keep anyones money it seems, but you sure as hell borrowed it for a long time. Ever hear the phrase "Me thinks thou doth protest too much!"? It means that the guy who protests the accusation so vigorously and forcefully is probably guilty. Just like Jake I find it interesting that there was no responce or action from you until Jakes last post stating others should take up legal action. Then out of the Blue you show up protesting your innocence. On top of that, it took you all of 1 day to refund peoples money you "stole" when faced with the harsh reality that Supramania and its memebers were not gonna just take it lieing down.

I suggest you simply apologize... to the community, to the people whos money you took and to jake for making this such a pain in his ass. When your done apologizing I suggest you log out, get your hectic life back under control...and dont come back here until the heat blows over...and when you do come back I suggest your first post is a second apology.


Now why do I say that? Is it cause I think your a thief? or a just a bad businessman? or both? It doesnt matter what I think in the end...Im pretty sure your reputation is in the crapper. Cut bait man.

 

[tte]

I dont know you, and I wasnt gonna post in here until I walked away for a few minutes after reading the last 10 pages of your sales page.

Not a thief? Well, in the end you didnt keep anyones money it seems, but you sure as hell borrowed it for a long time. Ever hear the phrase "Me thinks thou doth protest too much!"? It means that the guy who protests the accusation so vigorously and forcefully is probably guilty. Just like Jake I find it interesting that there was no responce or action from you until Jakes last post stating others should take up legal action. Then out of the Blue you show up protesting your innocence. On top of that, it took you all of 1 day to refund peoples money you "stole" when faced with the harsh reality that Supramania and its memebers were not gonna just take it lieing down.

I suggest you simply apologize... to the community, to the people whos money you took and to jake for making this such a pain in his ass. When your done apologizing I suggest you log out, get your hectic life back under control...and dont come back here until the heat blows over...and when you do come back I suggest your first post is a second apology.


Now why do I say that? Is it cause I think your a thief? or a just a bad businessman? or both? It doesnt matter what I think in the end...Im pretty sure your reputation is in the crapper. Cut bait man.

Yeah you think the same. Why do people think that I came on here just because Jake mentioned legal action?...Hey I didnt know what was gonna be written on here... I just came on because I finally had time to come on after my work trip..Dont tell me I have to get my employer to sign something to say I did go on a work trip...Just when I come on and sort this out people get more suspicous...it is very funny...Its better to not sort stuff out and run...at least when people label you a thief, its true.

LOl....I dont think I stole people's money....I kept talking to them in pms except for the last month that I havent been on. If they wanted a refund, they would let me know and I would refund them. Now sometimes I thought hey I have time to do these and suddenly some thing pops up and throws your schedule out the window....

I do not think you are right....Just because a person protests strongly, does not mean he is guilty of something. Are you saying that when people keep quiet they are not guilty? What bout real life scammers and big time thieves who steal all your money and when you complain, those thieves do not respond..They are long gone...So your logic is wrong...
Have you thought that when people protest maybe it could also mean that they are not guilty?

And if I was guilty, why didnt I rip my other customers whom I kept satisfied?
Usually a thief has a consistent pattern...if he rips people off, he rips everybody off. Slowly by slowly i worked my orders down and I got it down to five people.

You think this is about reputation?..Stuff reputation... I finaly sorted my shit out like the way its supposed to be....

Why should I cut bait when this car is the one i am addicted to so much and I like SM?

Success has no place for Quiters.

Cheers,
Roy

 

[kwnate]

hi nate,

How are you?

Cheers,
Roy

I'm good, thanks for asking!

 

[Facime]

You think this is aboutr reputation?..Stuff reputation... I finaly sorted my shit out like the way its supposed to be...

Cheers,
roy

And HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU!?

and that is deffinately a difference between you and I...I would never say "stuff reputation". A man is only as good as his word. Honor is more important to me than money.

And the last thing I will say about this is...in the end, you still never apologized to the people who entrusted their hard earned money to you. You dont owe ME anything, you owe them...

 

[tte]

"A man is as good as his word"

Words dont matter to me...actions does more...Did I refund or send my customers their products? Yes..ask them...

By the way I make alot more money than selling my products...Why dont you price out the carbon fiber fabric, resin, time/labor? I underprice my stuff alot...
So money is not important to me...otherwise I would sell them for alot more.

Trying doing a console for $85 or a carbon one for $110....ask any carbon company to do it for that price and they will tell you that you are crazy...so that should indicate to you that money is not important to me here.


I did apologize to my customers..You didnt know about it because I did it in pms..and it was between my customers and I.

cheers,
Roy

 

[Facime]

And the last thing I will say about this is...

I lied...


your actions over the last 10months "speak" volumes about you...good day sir!

 

[born2drv]

I think the best way to clear your name is very simple....

why don't you get some money somehow... somewhere.... and make some gauge pods and center consoles, etc.... make 3-4 of each... AND THEN try to sell them.

I'll buy one from you right away (center console).

I hope this is a lesson to everyone.... don't pay for anything until the seller says that he is ready to ship your product... then you pay, he sends you shipping confirmation and everyone is happy.

If the seller can't afford to buy the materials or products to resell or whatever upfront they're probably not the most financially stable and reliable to begin with and should be avoided.

i'm not trying to give you a hard time tte, just some general advice for you and others. i hope we all learn from this and i do wish your small business well in the future.

 

[tte]

No I have money to buy the materials and stuff...that is why I have been doing 2- 3 jobs and saving alot of money every week in my bank. Hell I havent even spent one cent on my car for a long time.

I have been using my own money to buy mold material and what not..And these stuff is not cheap at all. I have spent alot of money experiementing and doing all sorts of things just to make things work..Believe me..it would have been easier to quit.

Thats what I thought about a while back and I think I mentioned it in my threads...

I will have to build the products first and when it is ready I will offer it for sale...That way ppl do not have to wait and get upset and I do not have to be stressed out.That is why I have refunded ppl's money and when I have the products ready and if they still want to buy it i will sell it. I thought of it months ago primarily to give my customers confidence in me.

I like it much better when I get pms from people thanking me instead of seeing them stressed out.

But thanks for the good advice....And honestly I have refunded everyone and its now time to win the trust back...I will only look back for lessons and not to be put down...

Cheers,
Roy

 

[born2drv]

i really think for the future it should be a SM requirement.... for any vendor that wants to sell here, he/she must have product ON HAND and ready to ship within 2 business days of payment.... or take the order and not bill the customer until it is ready to be shipped.... unless the vendor rebuilds/refurbishes products.

 

[Facime]

I hope this is a lesson to everyone.... don't pay for anything until the seller says that he is ready to ship your product... then you pay, he sends you shipping confirmation and everyone is happy.

If the seller can't afford to buy the materials or products to resell or whatever upfront they're probably not the most financially stable and reliable to begin with and should be avoided.

Well, its good advice but unfortunately for people like me just getting back on my feet after wholesale walking away from my former life (clean break from a divorce) its wouldnt be possible for me to sell anything. Unfortunately some people ruin it for others, and believe me if I could do that I would. Im taking what little I made on my first GB and reinvesting it into the next batch, but it wont be enough. So I either borrow it, or presell. I have no choice.
I do think your advise is sound for most people and probably should be followed if you have any inclination that the seller is gonna be bad. At the same time, Im glad at least a few people trusted in me enough to allow me to deliver (which Im doing on Tuesday).

I think thats why I had such a strong reaction to tte and his thread. Situations like the one HE created, make it hard for honest people to get a start. Thanks to my customers, I think I'll do ok.

 

[tte]

I lied...

your actions over the last 10months "speak" volumes about you...good day sir!

Yeah, dont forget my customers that I satisfied too...Or are you like most people who make a big party when people fuck up and keep it quiet when people do something good.

And one more thing...do not look behind you because it is long gone...I am not going to let my last mistakes fuck up my future...There is always today to improve my tommorrows...go talk to successful ppl and companies who have made a comeback and that I am very capable of.

For honest people to start you say?...dont blame your failures on other people...as if you are the only honest person around here. Success depends on one person...you and only yourself...
You failed becuase it was your fault just like I messed up because it was my fault...
I dont go around crying like a big baby blaming everyone else...Grow up.


Cheers,
Roy

 

[Facime]

i really think for the future it should be a SM requirement.... for any vendor that wants to sell here, he/she must have product ON HAND and ready to ship within 2 business days of payment.... or take the order and not bill the customer until it is ready to be shipped.... unless the vendor rebuilds/refurbishes products.

no offence...but I hope the mods and other members here disagree. I think it should be up to the mods. I also think in the end it should be up to the customers. I would be the first to advise, if the seller doesnt have product ready to go...you should consider very carefully if you want to risk it. In the end I think people need to police themselves.

 

[Facime]

Yeah, dont forget my customers that I satisfied too...Or are you like most people who make a big party when people fuck up and keep it quiet when people do something good.

And one more thing...do not look behind you because it is long gone...I am not going to let my last mistakes fuck up my future...There is always today to improve my tommorrows...go talk to successful ppl and companies who have made a comeback and that I am very capable of.

Cheers,
Roy

Dude, I dont have anything against you personally, not one damn thing. If you can make good out of this situation, good for you! I honestly hope you do. Im also glad to hear that you privately appologized to the people who waited so long for a refund. Lesson learned by all...move on...

Good Luck in the future.

 

[wingman]

just a side word, I used to be involved with a business dealing with custom work. Different industry, same story. The workload gets insane, the rest of your life suffers, you stress yourself out, customers start getting tired of waiting, etc....

I know what your going through Roy, just remember that if you do go the premade route keep another line going for custom products....but only take on 1 or 2 jobs at a time. People are more willing to wait while they have the money than they are when YOU have the money...not to mention it's safer for you as well.

 

[tte]

Dude, I dont have anything against you personally, not one damn thing. If you can make good out of this situation, good for you! I honestly hope you do. Im also glad to hear that you privately appologized to the people who waited so long for a refund. Lesson learned by all...move on...

Good Luck in the future.

By the way my customers didnt want so long for a refund.They waited for the product...If they wanted the refund I have the money for that. I make sure I make alot of sacrifices to save alot of money.

Yes..Lesson learnt..Moving on.

Good luck to you too.

Cheers,
Roy

 

[born2drv]

it would be sort of easy to satisfy both stock/custom i think... like for the center consoles for example....

make one with all stock cut-outs... and another totally blank (we cut it out ourselves).... just 2 variations, simple.

then u get paid, paint it the color we want same day or next and ship it out in 2 days. .... or don't even paint it, make one color fits all (black) ... 95% of us will order that anyways.

try to make the majority of your ready-to-ship products to serve 90-95% of the community's needs... and for the rest that really want something custom and can wait, just don't take their money until it's ready to ship.

 

[wingman]

and for the rest that really want something custom and can wait, just don't take their money until it's ready to ship.

...but see then you run into the problem of people who say they want somethign up and down, but never pay for it when you try and get ahold of them. Custom work is best done in small amounts, paid up front, without digging into your personal life and must not interfere with your regular workload. If you can't keep up, don't do custom stuff.