Um, no, hard to screw up the installation, not the mention a pressure plate failure isn't tranny related...
XTD Clutch scam!
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tekimp;1469752 said:
You aren't getting it. The XTD pressure plate is an OEM toyota/aisian pressure plate that they paint red.
At Aarons request, I had closed this thread @ 1:21pm on 28th Jan 2010. I felt it was time to open it up again in light of recent events:
On Mon, June 28, 2010 5:57 pm I was sent the following email:
I immediately replied with the following:
I heard nothing back, so I assumed this was finished.
I was incorrect.
As many of you know, I don't take well to being threatened, especially by someone who accuses me wrongly.
I sent the following reply:
This appears to have gotten some sort of attention from him, and he replied with the following:
I immediately replied with the following:
He replied back:
I proceeded to contact Aaaron, and ask about the veracity of these claims. Aaron replied on July 21st, 2010 @ 11:57 AM, and although I won't post the full PM here, this is the portion that pertains to this:
With this piece of knowledge, I decided to place this in front of the staff for discussion in the Moderator forum. We had a dilemma here. At the time this thread was posted, the information was accurate according to Aaron. As long time member and established vendor with a stellar reputation, we have no reason to doubt him. Moreover, this being a customer review, it's certainly not our place to silence anyone. Deleting the thread did not seem appropriate, but we were discussing opening it back up and asking Aaron and/or the vendor to post this updated information. The central debate however seems to be Jimmys apparent dishonesty in representing Aarons position on the matter. Discussion on this topic was still ongoing.
He emailed me on Sunday:
Apparently we didn't discuss this fast enough for Jimmy and before I got a chance to reply, I received the following:
Now since I had already spoken with Aaron personally, I really didn't appreciate this. Being threatened is one thing, being called a liar is completely something else.
This prompted the following reply:
This is a full transcript of all correspondence. I have also retained the server logs related to these email and messages.
At this point, I think it's clear that I have been reasonable, communicative and willing to even shrug off the first set of threats and to take his passive/aggressive stance switching in stride. I've even ignored his outright misrepresentations of Aarons position in this matter.
However, I've had enough of being threatened, and I believe the emails above may give you some insight into the nature of the people we're discussing here. From my perspective the passive/aggressive nature of this chain of emails says quite a bit.
You may draw your own conclusions.
I will not be removing this thread as I feel it now accurately portrays consumer concerns about the character and integrity of this business. I also felt it necessary to get Jimmy side of the story out into the public eye. He appears to have a lot to say and I believe his tone and content will help you accurately gauge his character.
As you are likely aware (and Jimmy apparently isn't) consumer complaints with an absence of malice are generally considered protected free speech. In this instance I feel this thread meets those requirements.
The "i will write all toyota forums that you guys have very bad customer service" certainly seems like premeditation to use slander as blackmail against Supramania in this case. That's clearly malice from my perspective. However, I'm certain that Supramania's reputation is adequate to fend off false claims such as this, especially from the likes of him.
If only Jimmy had the same confidence in his own brand...
On Mon, June 28, 2010 5:57 pm I was sent the following email:
I immediately replied with the following:
I heard nothing back, so I assumed this was finished.
I was incorrect.
As many of you know, I don't take well to being threatened, especially by someone who accuses me wrongly.
I sent the following reply:
Supracentral via Email said:
This appears to have gotten some sort of attention from him, and he replied with the following:
I immediately replied with the following:
He replied back:
I proceeded to contact Aaaron, and ask about the veracity of these claims. Aaron replied on July 21st, 2010 @ 11:57 AM, and although I won't post the full PM here, this is the portion that pertains to this:
bigaaron said:
With this piece of knowledge, I decided to place this in front of the staff for discussion in the Moderator forum. We had a dilemma here. At the time this thread was posted, the information was accurate according to Aaron. As long time member and established vendor with a stellar reputation, we have no reason to doubt him. Moreover, this being a customer review, it's certainly not our place to silence anyone. Deleting the thread did not seem appropriate, but we were discussing opening it back up and asking Aaron and/or the vendor to post this updated information. The central debate however seems to be Jimmys apparent dishonesty in representing Aarons position on the matter. Discussion on this topic was still ongoing.
He emailed me on Sunday:
Apparently we didn't discuss this fast enough for Jimmy and before I got a chance to reply, I received the following:
Now since I had already spoken with Aaron personally, I really didn't appreciate this. Being threatened is one thing, being called a liar is completely something else.
This prompted the following reply:
This is a full transcript of all correspondence. I have also retained the server logs related to these email and messages.
At this point, I think it's clear that I have been reasonable, communicative and willing to even shrug off the first set of threats and to take his passive/aggressive stance switching in stride. I've even ignored his outright misrepresentations of Aarons position in this matter.
However, I've had enough of being threatened, and I believe the emails above may give you some insight into the nature of the people we're discussing here. From my perspective the passive/aggressive nature of this chain of emails says quite a bit.
You may draw your own conclusions.
I will not be removing this thread as I feel it now accurately portrays consumer concerns about the character and integrity of this business. I also felt it necessary to get Jimmy side of the story out into the public eye. He appears to have a lot to say and I believe his tone and content will help you accurately gauge his character.
As you are likely aware (and Jimmy apparently isn't) consumer complaints with an absence of malice are generally considered protected free speech. In this instance I feel this thread meets those requirements.
The "i will write all toyota forums that you guys have very bad customer service" certainly seems like premeditation to use slander as blackmail against Supramania in this case. That's clearly malice from my perspective. However, I'm certain that Supramania's reputation is adequate to fend off false claims such as this, especially from the likes of him.
If only Jimmy had the same confidence in his own brand...
I may not have the best spelling but this guy appears to not even read your emails nor even have proper english.
Still would not buy from them. Hope they go into the ground.
Still would not buy from them. Hope they go into the ground.
everybody knows xtds clutches are bad and he's losing buisness because products suck not because of the supramania thread lol.
When your shit sucks, people talk. You can only sell shitty products for so long before people catch on.
Talk about a blast from the past. I think you hadled the matter very well Mike, too bad the guy on the other end is a douche.
wow my engwish is bad and all but come on . how is someone suposed to take that bisness owner at his word ?
My 2JZGTE'd with W58 MK2 supra has a XTD clutch in it...bought the supra with it already installed..it held 11 psi on a bone stock Aristo motor..but It will be coming out here in the next month and its being replaced with a Raptor Racing feramic 6 puck thats sitting on the bench. Thanks for the warning on these clutches. It could of caused me major headaches. I'm currently doing full upgrades including AEM V2, 67mm Turbo and E85 fuel system.. I will try and post pics of the XTD clutch when I remove it..unless this isn't the place for it then I will start a new thread...many thanks again Supramania and Aaron, I will continue to send business you way.
BTW..WHAT IS THIS GUYS EBAY SELLER/SCREEN NAME?
BTW..WHAT IS THIS GUYS EBAY SELLER/SCREEN NAME?
This guy can't even form a single, grammatically correct sentence. How is anyone supposed to take him seriously?
I would consider taking down the thread for.......ohhhhh.......let's see......yeah, that's it! 1 MILLION DOLLARS to EVERY registered SM Member!!!!!!
Anyone else in agreement?
Anyone else in agreement?
Consumers are voting on a product with their wallets, as it should be. The product stands on it's own merits and is being judged as such. Now that the votes are in, the company seems to be grasping at straws. It's a hole they dug themselves and the legal system should not be abused to pull them out.
I think you handled that very well Mike, thanks for looking out.
I think you handled that very well Mike, thanks for looking out.
