WTF is Bitron 4 Real?

[JMDigital]

Warning This may be a little long...

I did watch the video's and I am no expert. This stuff may be the next great thing. Here is how I see it. Even in the video test above about Zmax, at the end of the video they are talking about the MLM system that is used to sell this stuff. If I was to become some sort of distributor here I would be one of the many people under the pyramid and all sales trickle up to the guy on top. Even if that’s not how the money flows its how it sounds. That’s one of the reasons I think people are thinking this is another “snake oil” type thing. I remember the Dura Lube infomercial they used the same test machine. So in a few years are we going to see a new oil additive that they say is real?

Everyone is interested in a better thing. Its human nature to want better for yourself or your things. I wanted my van to run better and I bought ZMAX for it. I don’t know why after I used it I got better gas mileage or why the tick went away? I was happy it worked.

To really convince people, the videos and ads on web pages have to separate the "buy it here" with the "become a dealer" ads. I don’t want to sell this stuff but I may want to try it in my other cars. I would not test it on my supra. Because "If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!" My engine is working fine and until a few supra guys want to tell me this stuff rocks then I will wait for the ones that can afford it to try it.

Tell us more and you never know!

 

[Figit090]

Warning This may be a little long...

I did watch the video's and I am no expert. This stuff may be the next great thing. Here is how I see it. Even in the video test above about Zmax, at the end of the video they are talking about the MLM system that is used to sell this stuff. If I was to become some sort of distributor here I would be one of the many people under the pyramid and all sales trickle up to the guy on top. Even if that’s not how the money flows its how it sounds. That’s one of the reasons I think people are thinking this is another “snake oil” type thing.

To really convince people, the videos and ads on web pages have to separate the "buy it here" with the "become a dealer" ads. I don’t want to sell this stuff but I may want to try it in my other cars. I would not test it on my supra. Because "If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!" My engine is working fine and until a few supra guys want to tell me this stuff rocks then I will wait for the ones that can afford it to try it.

Tell us more and you never know!

yeah i second that. i dont want to bash you or the product...it does sound good but also skeptical and both sides of the discussion on why oil companies dont already use this are totally valid. i cant think of a more controversial subject than oil....and the industry is so huge i would not be suprised much if they made serious efforts to block out helpful additives.

I've also seen tests done with lucas stuff (which seems to be totally different that your additive) and it had bad effects on lubrication....so naturally those that know of its ill effets would be skeptical.

but yeah...i'm interested. It could be the next big thing...who knows?? gotta try it i guess. I'd definitely want it if it does in fact work though!

where's this movie at anyhow?

 

[tekdeus]

The online shopping cart is universal for customers and distributors, that's why there are sales aids there. I can't change that.

I understand your points of view. It's tough to promote these products when I'm up against decades of bogus snake oils of the past, and lots of false and misleading infomercials (cough duralube cough). Amsoil is marketed the same way (network marketing) as Bi-Tron. One should be skeptical, yet open minded.

There are good oil products, and bad ones. There are good network marketing companies and bad ones. I like promoting the stuff because my customers get good results and I really believe it's saving them a lot of wear and tear. I know it works because I've used it extensively in both my supras, I created that series of web videos (both the tests and the testimonials). I can take drops of oil off my dipstick after 4 months and it still performs the same in my oil testing maching so I am sold that this stuff is real and keeps its properties for a long time, with no corrosion or blocked filters, etc.

Thanks for the interest! I'll post new stuff as it comes up. Cheers - Brad
(P.S. videos are on my website in signature)

 

[JoeC]

can we get some professional tests done. I think the product makers should of done this if its such a great product. I am a little iffy about running it in my brand new motor because of the money i put in it.

 

[fiyota]

can we get some professional tests done. I think the product makers should of done this if its such a great product. I am a little iffy about running it in my brand new motor because of the money i put in it.

A customer came into my work the other day to get his oil changed. On his work order it had Add Bi-Tron.. of course I know what it is already (talked to tekdues at suprafest)... I changed his oil and it looked perfectly normal, oil was a good colour (I thought it was changed 2k ago)... then I hear him shout into the bay... "guess how many km ago I got my oil changed"... then it clicked that he had already been running bi-tron... he told me it has been 8,000km since his last oil change, I looked at the oil as it was pouring out of his drain plug.. looked almost new, same consistancy as fresh oil and not all too dark. So he goes on to tell me that a friend of his ran out of oil half-way on his way to vancouver (a 4 hour trip from here) and he added 1 bottle of bi-tron to his oil and drove his car for the rest of the trip (2 hours) without a problem... I've heard nothing but good things from anybody I have talked to about bi-tron.

 

[JoeC]

I personally haven't heard a single thing about it besides this post and the videos.

When I think about oil, it goes in clean yes, and comes out dirty. Doesn't that mean its doing its job? Pulling the crud from your motor? if an oil comes out clean after 8,000km I would think the oil isn't washing the motor like it should be.

Am I wrong or?? could some one explain.

 

[tekdeus]

Great story. It's really big in the Kelowna area. I also push my oil changes to 7 or 8000 in my Mk2. Maybe it's the lower operating temps that reduce carbon formation? Not sure, but mechanics I know say that engines are very clean after using the product.

 

[T34418L3ONE]

know actually your oil changes color because it absorbs a lot of carbon from the fuel. Look at cars that run propane or water injection, the oil comes out as clean as it went in.

 

[Clip]

Great story. It's really big in the Kelowna area. I also push my oil changes to 7 or 8000 in my Mk2. Maybe it's the lower operating temps that reduce carbon formation? Not sure, but mechanics I know say that engines are very clean after using the product.

is that conventional or synthetic oil, cause mine usually lasts around 6k using mobil 1.

 

[upgradedsupra]

I change my oil every 1500 miles so I don't see the point here and I use Amsoil Series 2000 20/50

Duane


Yup..I remember that duralube crap and I laughed at that and knew it would not last. LOL

 

[tekdeus]

I use conventional oil in my Mk2, but synthetic in my Mk3 because it carbonizes less (turbo coking, etc.) The fuel product is supposed to make fuel burn cleaner so perhaps that is a contributing factor to why that customer's oil was clean after 8k.

is that conventional or synthetic oil, cause mine usually lasts around 6k using mobil 1.

 

[Turbo. Targa. Life.]

I can't believe some of you people are running 20/50--that's some thick shit man. With as cold as it gets here in the winter, I would think it would run like dog shit...[/thread jack]

 

[tekdeus]

I agree. My car's still got the 15w-50 from the previous owner, and the oil pressure is stupidly high when cold. "Thick" oils are now obselete in my opinion. I'll be going much thinner real soon.

 

[koulee]

Do we SMers get a discount?

Seriously though, some people believe that a well engineered oil like Amsoil, RedLine, Royal Purple, and Mobil 1 don't need anything else added to it--regardless of whether or not its an additive or something like Bi-Tron.

 

[JMDigital]

I can't believe some of you people are running 20/50--that's some thick shit man. With as cold as it gets here in the winter, I would think it would run like dog shit...[/thread jack]

I run 20/50 It was seugested by my mechanic...
Its never cold here in FL . Its TOO HOT.. I dont think I ever use the heater in the car.. Actually I never even tested the heater its all A/C for me

 

[Figit090]

i dont know a lot about oil...but i've heard that getting clean oil is bad because its not doing its job at collecting particles...but then you wonder...what if its lubricating so well that there arent enough particles to make the oil dirty in the first place?

I'd like to see a professional test.... with measurements of everything.

engines can run without oil...and the fact that an engine will run without oil and be fine afterward doesnt logically conclude anything beyond the fact that it can survive that event. maybe it runs fine for a day and then you run it later and it runs like shit. or explodes.

the only way to really know is to get two or more engines in the same running conditions, and have one control where nothing changes.

then compare the engines with different oils to eachother and the control. then you would know.

somebody did a test once where they took two brand new B&S engines and ran one with oil, one with oil and additive, then drained the oil and ran both dry. i'm pretty sure they both showed the same wear. so saying an engine survives dry running doesnt tell you how good the lubricants are. for all we know maybe the engine would run fine from the first crank on nothing but air...

 

[upgradedsupra]

I can't believe some of you people are running 20/50--that's some thick shit man. With as cold as it gets here in the winter, I would think it would run like dog shit...[/thread jack]

I don't run my in the winter :biglaugh: Winter here is not that cold. We almost never get snow where I live! (mostly rain)

Duane

 

[YourHondaSux]

Isn't ZMAX facing a class action suit? I seem to remember a thread about that either here or on SF.

 

[JMDigital]

Here is a link to the lawsuit agains zmax. Its almost at the bottom of the page.
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/index.html

 

[CRE]

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/legal/zmaxfin.html



D'oh!