The thing is that the rims are a rotating mass.. so you have to take off much more to make it up.
will these wheels fit my supra?
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well... tell you waht.. if the MKIV's can do 13-flat in the quarter with wheels that are 50+ lbs each and someone else cant with wheels just as heavy and 300rwhp, the weight of their wheels is the LEAST of their worries.
fuck the aaa gold account, AAA PREMIER FTW! :biglaugh:flubyux2 said:
since we're on the subject of wheels, i think the Work Meister S1's are HAWT! :love: too bad the cover car had to be a MKIV.
they are nice... i dont like the curvature of the spokes and how the multi-piece style makes them look smaller than they really are. they look like 17's in the pic because of the contouring.
now, the "doctors" as my friend calls them, are nice on MK3's
now, the "doctors" as my friend calls them, are nice on MK3's
flubyux2 said:
haha I know what you mean. Thats why I don't bitch about my rims weight. And many of the cool looking rims like those Misters S1's posted are not even close to light.
it's rotating mass (harder to steer, accelerate, or stop), PLUS it's unsprung, so your suspension works overtime...
racing wheels are CRAZY light cause they make em out of forged magnezium. Ever pick up an F1 wheel? It weighs less than 3lbs and it's more than a foot wide IIRC...
I have old enkei racing wheels, and they're lighter than the sawblades I've picked up...
racing wheels are CRAZY light cause they make em out of forged magnezium. Ever pick up an F1 wheel? It weighs less than 3lbs and it's more than a foot wide IIRC...
I have old enkei racing wheels, and they're lighter than the sawblades I've picked up...
they wouldnt let me pick up the wheels at the st. pete gran prix. i wanted to steal the mono-lug BBS meshies in the Audi pit. those wheels are SO bad ass. IRL/F1 wheels are 15x12 iirc. those are BBS too. oh, and the brake pads are Performance Friction, same as Auto Zone carries. but Auto zone doesnt carry that part number, lol.
yes, its unsprung weight... its not much worse than running TT's. if the stock MKIV suspension can handle that unsprung weight, im sure our cars can too. especially considering not many people run 18 year old suspension when they drop big bucks on new wheels and tires... except me. i have yet to do suspension.
yes, its unsprung weight... its not much worse than running TT's. if the stock MKIV suspension can handle that unsprung weight, im sure our cars can too. especially considering not many people run 18 year old suspension when they drop big bucks on new wheels and tires... except me. i have yet to do suspension.
s0ulstar said:fuck the aaa gold account, AAA PREMIER FTW! :biglaugh:
since we're on the subject of wheels, i think the Work Meister S1's are HAWT! :love: too bad the cover car had to be a MKIV.
saw a C4 Vette with those earlier today, fucking NICE rims..
lol... on a C4?! man, if they arent tryin to Church it up... i dont know what would be. ahh... the C4; the Redneck ferarri!
(the Redneck corvette: 3rd Gen Camaro)
(the Redneck Camaro: G-body!)
(the Redneck corvette: 3rd Gen Camaro)
(the Redneck Camaro: G-body!)
If you look into it, you'll find that generally speaking, your tires are heavier than your wheels. Getting larger lighter wheels and losing some rubber can really help with the weight.
yes they are. even just a new 245/45/17 is ~25lbs alone. now imagine people like me, with forged wheels and 255/35/18's and 295/30/18's. They aint Mags, but i keepem clean!
Jeff: not entirely true...
the issue is where the weight is, so keeping the normal overall size of the wheel/tire combo and going up in wheel size will push the weight outwards. The farther out the weight is, the more leverage and centrifigal energy it has, thus losing performance.
EVERY time I've ever read anything on "going to a bigger tire for handling" could be solved with a better tire. Turn in isn't good enough, get a stiffer sidewall. Not enough grip, get a stickier tire.
The ONLY reason I can see to get a larger rim (and why I will eventually run one) is to clear larger brakes. Wider rims are another story entirely and I won't get into that...
the issue is where the weight is, so keeping the normal overall size of the wheel/tire combo and going up in wheel size will push the weight outwards. The farther out the weight is, the more leverage and centrifigal energy it has, thus losing performance.
EVERY time I've ever read anything on "going to a bigger tire for handling" could be solved with a better tire. Turn in isn't good enough, get a stiffer sidewall. Not enough grip, get a stickier tire.
The ONLY reason I can see to get a larger rim (and why I will eventually run one) is to clear larger brakes. Wider rims are another story entirely and I won't get into that...
poodles, you do realize to have a strong sturdy carcass with a high modulus wedge cast into the sidewall will make ANY tire heavier, regardless of what wheel you put it on, right? lest we forget the rim-protector bead, thats probably worth a pound in itself.
you cant just make up for a loss in lateral stability and grip with a better tire. you still have sidewall unless you go down in sidewall height. that the ONLY way you can get a stiffer sidewall without plus-sizing the wheel/tire combo. a 295/50/16 is definitly not going to EVER have lateral capability that a 295/30/18 will, as far as i can tell. i mean, if the weight was that big of a deal, and the loss of traction can be supplemented as you say, the high end sports car mfr's wouldnt be upsizing wheels... we would still see 16's on porsches... toyota wouldnt have put a 17" wheel on the mkiv if the 16" was better for performance and could be band-aided with a stickier tire.
besides, small wheels dont LOOK cool, no matter how you slice it!
you cant just make up for a loss in lateral stability and grip with a better tire. you still have sidewall unless you go down in sidewall height. that the ONLY way you can get a stiffer sidewall without plus-sizing the wheel/tire combo. a 295/50/16 is definitly not going to EVER have lateral capability that a 295/30/18 will, as far as i can tell. i mean, if the weight was that big of a deal, and the loss of traction can be supplemented as you say, the high end sports car mfr's wouldnt be upsizing wheels... we would still see 16's on porsches... toyota wouldnt have put a 17" wheel on the mkiv if the 16" was better for performance and could be band-aided with a stickier tire.
besides, small wheels dont LOOK cool, no matter how you slice it!
flubyux2 said:
you already said it...
and a 16" wheel won't clear the TT MKIV's brakes, the N/A's came with 16's...
I can talk and talk and talk, but you're not listening. Sidewall is REQUIRED for cornering, braking, acceleration and ride quality.
Most of the people that KNOW what it does to car think it's STUPID. I could show you all sorts of data, but this is just like crossdrilled rotors, or 8 piston calipers...
It's 100% PURE marketing. The same reason you see tires larger than more car tires on choppers these days, "it looks cool."
One of THE best handling cars IN THE WORLD has quite a bit of sidewall showing... Ariel Atom. How about F1 race cars?
The Koenigsegg has slotted rotors when most other cars have crossdilled...
Please don't get me started on modern car design and marketing hype...
now youre getting into semantics.
side wall is required but too much is not a good thing. 16's have too much sidewall unless you down size. then at that point, youre effectively reducing your findal drive ratio and making it "shorter". on top of which, youd sacrifice ride quality by going with a shorter overall tire diameter to acheive the shorter sidewall on an already-small wheel.
side wall is required but too much is not a good thing. 16's have too much sidewall unless you down size. then at that point, youre effectively reducing your findal drive ratio and making it "shorter". on top of which, youd sacrifice ride quality by going with a shorter overall tire diameter to acheive the shorter sidewall on an already-small wheel.
My point is that the only REAL reason to go to a larger diameter is to clear larger brakes.
Anything larger is reducing performance in a bad way.
Sure, large wheels look good, but performance wise, they go against any intelligent design...
Seriously, I could go on with this for a while, but I've PERSONALLY picked up two wheels with tires with the same overall diameter and width, and guess which one was heavier...
This is fact. Unless you're running a lighter design (many 3 piece steel wheels are light as hell if made right, same with spun wheels or magnezium wheels), larger wheels are a downgrade.
Anything larger is reducing performance in a bad way.
Sure, large wheels look good, but performance wise, they go against any intelligent design...
Seriously, I could go on with this for a while, but I've PERSONALLY picked up two wheels with tires with the same overall diameter and width, and guess which one was heavier...
This is fact. Unless you're running a lighter design (many 3 piece steel wheels are light as hell if made right, same with spun wheels or magnezium wheels), larger wheels are a downgrade.
You keep on saying it reduces performance.. so.. How does it reduce performance? From what I understand a stiffer sidewall gives better feel and reaction.
Jeff Lange said:
It all depends how much money you wanna spend. Reliability,performace, price,(you can only pick two) .
It still applies to wheels. On the subject of wheels, if you have money to spend on good wheels, you can have stupid ultra low weight wheels that are in the most popular UHP(Ultra high performance) sizes and they start off in size from 18's to 20's. Carbon fiber wheel barrels with magnesium faces. The 18x10 come in at 14ish.lbs. ( iirc) their 20x12 come in at something like 18lbs. But the only downside is that each wheel is $1500. As far as tires goes, I handle all sorts of tires everyday. One thing I have noticed is that lower profile and bigger diameter tires tend to weigh less. Also on a side note profile % means nothing unless there is a width. For example a 345/25 tire sidewall will be taller than a 215/35 thus giving more performance in handling with only 5-8 lbs diffrence. Only the non highway tires , competition tires come in close to 20lbs or slightly under, and thats only some not all. One thing that I have noticed is that there is no tire that weighs less than 20 pounds, including small 14 inch tires. But thats a whole nother thread.:thumbup: