Welcom to the industry, Tesla Motors
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i smell some dennis leary there
allof you who seem to hate fossil fueled cars....wtf are you doing on a high-performance car forum?it's kinna like preaching safe sex while you're fucking a hooker.
please continue telling people how bad hydrocarbons are, the more you do this, and the higher fuel prices go, the faster prices drop on the excursions.
at this rate, by next month, someone will write me a check to take theirs...
i just started working for a petroulem co, and thankfully, there is plenty of oil to go around, and there will continue to be for a long time
maybe 3 or 4 generations it will be an issue, but by then, technology will have caught up, ,i think this ecopanic is just little chicken telling us the sky is falling...
allof you who seem to hate fossil fueled cars....wtf are you doing on a high-performance car forum?it's kinna like preaching safe sex while you're fucking a hooker.
please continue telling people how bad hydrocarbons are, the more you do this, and the higher fuel prices go, the faster prices drop on the excursions.
at this rate, by next month, someone will write me a check to take theirs...
i just started working for a petroulem co, and thankfully, there is plenty of oil to go around, and there will continue to be for a long time
maybe 3 or 4 generations it will be an issue, but by then, technology will have caught up, ,i think this ecopanic is just little chicken telling us the sky is falling...
wingman said:
I have a 1967 El Dorado for sale if you are serious. I was going to restore it completely but I would rather spend the money on my 1961 Cadillac covertible and my 1968 Cadillac convertible.
lmao @ wingman
- trucker, I don't believe in putting off problems for future generations. It smacks of flat-out laziness, to me.
- trucker, I don't believe in putting off problems for future generations. It smacks of flat-out laziness, to me.
trucker said:
Ain't that the truth!
trucker said:
Don't be foolish my friend. Environmentalism is all about the accumulation of money and power.
Adjuster
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If you still think we are going to run out of "fossil fuels" then this arguement is pointless because you will believe whatever your told, and follow along like sheep going to the slaughter.
If not, you have done some research, and discovered that oil fields are filling up from the underside, and the long taught and believed theory that oil, gas and coal are fossil remains was/is wrong!
Oil, coal and gases are just part of the earth. They might be byproducts of microbial life that lives deep in the hot earth, but that's just a theory like "fossil fuels" is a theory. However, oil is proven to exist in rocks older than life and the fossil reccord. (If the rock the oil comes out of is older than the dead stuff that was theorized to be the source of that oil, then there IS A HUGE FLAW WITH FOSSIL FUELS THEORY.)
If not, you have done some research, and discovered that oil fields are filling up from the underside, and the long taught and believed theory that oil, gas and coal are fossil remains was/is wrong!
Oil, coal and gases are just part of the earth. They might be byproducts of microbial life that lives deep in the hot earth, but that's just a theory like "fossil fuels" is a theory. However, oil is proven to exist in rocks older than life and the fossil reccord. (If the rock the oil comes out of is older than the dead stuff that was theorized to be the source of that oil, then there IS A HUGE FLAW WITH FOSSIL FUELS THEORY.)
OH wow.. Adjuster, you seem intelligent, tell me you aren't buying this 'omg teh oil fields auto-refill from TEH UNDERNEATHNESS!'
Oil, coal, and gases are a part of the earth. Everything is. Simple fact that if you have X amount of something, and burn/chemically convert it to Y, you WILL run out of X at some point.
Current scientific theory could very well be wrong about petroleum being a 'fossil fuel' - but that doesn't negate the fact that eventually, it will run out. The earth is not infinite, and does not spontaneously create molecules of oil. We will eventually run out of everything not biologically regenerated faster than it is consumed on the planet - aluminum, iron, oil, silicon, hell, fresh water if we keep dumping toxins in.
I'm not trumping some environmentalist's horn here, I'm pointing out a fact that many of this generation just don't care about. "It won't affect me, why should I care?" That thought process is fucking stupid. It only goes to further show the selfishness that each and every person experiences.
It's also why I heavily support NASA, and space exploration in general.
I, for one, want my children to have a better world than I did. Further, I hope to instill that same thinking on them, so that my grandchildren have it even better than my children. I damn sure do not want them just using up what little time each of us has, in a pursuit of bettering themselves, and saying the hell with humanity as a whole.
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Tesla Motors is a good step, imho, in the right direction. That of the future.
Innovation drives new technology, and this is clearly innovative. Computers were expensive when they came out, but the price will come down as time goes on. It's just the way new technology works, economically speaking.
Oil, coal, and gases are a part of the earth. Everything is. Simple fact that if you have X amount of something, and burn/chemically convert it to Y, you WILL run out of X at some point.
Current scientific theory could very well be wrong about petroleum being a 'fossil fuel' - but that doesn't negate the fact that eventually, it will run out. The earth is not infinite, and does not spontaneously create molecules of oil. We will eventually run out of everything not biologically regenerated faster than it is consumed on the planet - aluminum, iron, oil, silicon, hell, fresh water if we keep dumping toxins in.
I'm not trumping some environmentalist's horn here, I'm pointing out a fact that many of this generation just don't care about. "It won't affect me, why should I care?" That thought process is fucking stupid. It only goes to further show the selfishness that each and every person experiences.
It's also why I heavily support NASA, and space exploration in general.
I, for one, want my children to have a better world than I did. Further, I hope to instill that same thinking on them, so that my grandchildren have it even better than my children. I damn sure do not want them just using up what little time each of us has, in a pursuit of bettering themselves, and saying the hell with humanity as a whole.
*edit*
Tesla Motors is a good step, imho, in the right direction. That of the future.
Innovation drives new technology, and this is clearly innovative. Computers were expensive when they came out, but the price will come down as time goes on. It's just the way new technology works, economically speaking.
bonus12 said:
now I'm not on either side of the argument here, but didn't everybody universally accept the fact that the world was flat not too long ago?
and no, I don't want an el dorado...lol
bonus12 said:
:umno:
The FACT is that nobody knows what the earth is composed of below the crust.
US Department of Energy said:
If hydrocarbons are dead dinosaurs then why is there oil in the BASEMENT rock of Vietnam's White Tiger oil field?
Are you a geologist? Can you factually dispute this geologist's statement?C. Warren Hunt said:
Why are there huge amounts of methane on the moon Titan? Why are there hydrocarbons in comets and asteroids? Methane in the atmosphere of Mars? Perhaps the dinosaurs were a spacefaring race that colonized the whole solar system before dying 'en masse' and becoming oil?
If oil is dead dinosaurs then it will run out and the world as we know it will cease to exist. If oil is replenished from deep in the earth then we will continue to use it like crazy and "global warming" will cause the world as we know it to cease to exist. The only thing that is sure is that there will be plenty of fearmongering going on until the world as we know it is destroyed.
How do you know unless you try one?:love:wingman said:
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
In time, all things come to pass.
Eventually the sun will go super nova, and this entire planet will be destroyed as we know it.
Speaking in terms of a few more billion years however, the sun will continue to shine much like it has, and we will continue to use hydrocarbons to make our lives better in so many ways it would take days to just post them here.
Enjoy your computer? It's made of plastic, minerals and metals mined from the earth, processed with electricity generated by dams or the burning of hydrocarbons, or heaven help us, decaying atoms.... and the world continues on.
Like your house? It's built of wood from a forrest somewhere.
How about your shoes? Leather is nice, but comes from dead cows, or Elk if you want great gloves, or pig if you want them to last a long time... Don't like to think about that? How about sythetic clothes and materials... oh, they are made of processed hydrocarbons...
Now please don't get me wrong. I believe in perserving this earth, and being good stewards of the great things it has to offer. This does not mean we should worship the earth, or it's animals, trees and other wildlife and habitats. When I see forrest fires out of control every summer, It makes me sick that dumbasses from the Sierra club are directly responsible for the distruction of my great outdoors. Logging the forrests and replanting trees is great stewardship, and is completely renewable. Most of what people claim to be "old growth" forrests are really only a 100 years old or so, and that's relatively new in the long term scale of things. (Notice I said most, not all.) The really old forrests are in serious trouble. They have not been thinned out with logging, or fire, and have grown into huge tinderboxes of dry and dead trees just waiting for a spark. Then they explode into fires so hot, they burn trees that would normally not be killed by fire that stays down low to the ground. The type of fire that would be possible with a thinned out forrest.
Back to hydrocarbons. I proudly don't belive the gas I burn in my car is old dino, but I like to belive, and think there is great evidence to the fact that our crude oil is really microbe shit from deep in the earth that tends to collect in pools near the surface of certain geologic features, but really is available everywhere on the planet if you go deep enough. (But it is not in huge quantities everywhere on earth, but it's there.) This is proven by the Siljan ring well in basement rock, and the large production fields in basement rock around the world. (Noted in a prior thread is the one in Viet Nam, but there are others, and they all "should not produce" anything according to fossil fuel theory, yet are viable fields pumping up microbe shit, refining it and making our lives better every day.)
Eventually the sun will go super nova, and this entire planet will be destroyed as we know it.
Speaking in terms of a few more billion years however, the sun will continue to shine much like it has, and we will continue to use hydrocarbons to make our lives better in so many ways it would take days to just post them here.
Enjoy your computer? It's made of plastic, minerals and metals mined from the earth, processed with electricity generated by dams or the burning of hydrocarbons, or heaven help us, decaying atoms.... and the world continues on.
Like your house? It's built of wood from a forrest somewhere.
How about your shoes? Leather is nice, but comes from dead cows, or Elk if you want great gloves, or pig if you want them to last a long time... Don't like to think about that? How about sythetic clothes and materials... oh, they are made of processed hydrocarbons...
Now please don't get me wrong. I believe in perserving this earth, and being good stewards of the great things it has to offer. This does not mean we should worship the earth, or it's animals, trees and other wildlife and habitats. When I see forrest fires out of control every summer, It makes me sick that dumbasses from the Sierra club are directly responsible for the distruction of my great outdoors. Logging the forrests and replanting trees is great stewardship, and is completely renewable. Most of what people claim to be "old growth" forrests are really only a 100 years old or so, and that's relatively new in the long term scale of things. (Notice I said most, not all.) The really old forrests are in serious trouble. They have not been thinned out with logging, or fire, and have grown into huge tinderboxes of dry and dead trees just waiting for a spark. Then they explode into fires so hot, they burn trees that would normally not be killed by fire that stays down low to the ground. The type of fire that would be possible with a thinned out forrest.
Back to hydrocarbons. I proudly don't belive the gas I burn in my car is old dino, but I like to belive, and think there is great evidence to the fact that our crude oil is really microbe shit from deep in the earth that tends to collect in pools near the surface of certain geologic features, but really is available everywhere on the planet if you go deep enough. (But it is not in huge quantities everywhere on earth, but it's there.) This is proven by the Siljan ring well in basement rock, and the large production fields in basement rock around the world. (Noted in a prior thread is the one in Viet Nam, but there are others, and they all "should not produce" anything according to fossil fuel theory, yet are viable fields pumping up microbe shit, refining it and making our lives better every day.)
trucker said:
I came here for the supra education. I learned a few other things along the way.. It is a machine. I am a gear head, not a gasoline head.. I only dislike gasoline because it is our only choice offered when there are much better choices available.
The machine can run on gas, electric, hydrogen, propane, CNG or piss for all I care.. I just understand now that gas may not be the best choice of fuel anymore... I still love the machine and I will adapt it to the new tech/fuel ASAP.. It's still a Supra..
Doward said:
i think you misunderstood, i'm all for fixing problems
but this isn't something that is going to happen next week, next month or even next year,it's not like we have to push shit on everyone tomorrow...the markets will decide when the time is right for ev's
i'm guessing we'll have to see like 6-7 bucks a gallon before the public begins to search out alternatives...by then hopefully thechnology will have caught up.
i'mjust not going to be the guy who pays a substantial premium for a car to be avant garde
All it is going to take is for a few of you 500-600hp supras out there to get beat bad by a 640hp electric mini cooper or any of the other dozen electric racers out there that never has to buy gasoline again and you may want one now. The price is and will continue to come down.
I'd like one of these..
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cf...60724.006/mini/pml-builds-640hp-electric-mini
I'd like one of these..
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cf...60724.006/mini/pml-builds-640hp-electric-mini
Aaron J Williams said:
89k, which is actaully a lot cheaper than other cars with similar performance.
trucker, 89k is NOT a premium! its a good deal! the ONLY better deal out there is the corvette z06. (and you wont have to pay for gas or oil changes, etc)
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Bonus, I think your reputation speaks for itself (see those 3 little red bars?...)
Also, if this "battery" is anything like any other rechargable battery man has seen to date, recharging it without fully draning it will shorten said battery's life span.
Also, if this "battery" is anything like any other rechargable battery man has seen to date, recharging it without fully draning it will shorten said battery's life span.
