V mounting?

[OneJoeZee]

I asked for proof. Not a rehash of the pros/cons list. I know that.

I want proof that there was any increase of any performance aspect on said Supra. The piping route of the JZ is not even long to begin with, the intercooler gets tons of airflow right where it is in the front, and a fairly large IC can be used in the front.

Was a difference actually noticed by shortening it up some more in this Supra you are talking about? Can you provide proof that's not anecdotal or something that can be described as a placebo effect?

 

[NashMan]

it's called math and areo dynamicks

 

[OneJoeZee]

So show me something then.


Show me the math and aerodynamics on this Supra.

 

[IJ.]

Joe: Very few Mk3 people have ANY data on hand and those that would have wouldn't be doing a V mount to compare both data sets.

 

[OneJoeZee]

I know. Nash is the one that said the proof is "math and aerodynamics" though, not me. So show me something then. :dunno:


If this was really effective in the Supra he's talking about, surely someone would be able to give some kind of review or comparison or something? He's telling me it's better than any front mount but has nothing to back that up.

 

[JesseH]

Yes I would like do be different but not if it's not going to improve air flow for both the RAD and the IC, it looks more efficient.

If you want it easy and simple, get a FMIC, and a FFIM then your piping is easy, shorter, and still get the benefit of having direct airflow from the front.

 

[IJ.]

Joe: No argument here I think it's a stupid fucking idea to begin with

 

[Quin]

I really can't see any damn reason to do this on anything that has room for a front mount. This even seems dumb for a 240. I could POSSIBLY see it in an RX7, but even then I'd rather have it up front, as far away from the engine as possible.

 

[88mkIIIproject]

butchering a supra to put a V-mount in is a waste of time, money, and a perfectly good engine bay IMO. front mount ftw

 

[Wiisass]

There's more information on the benefits of a proper V-mount setup on other forums. No one on here is going to have anything. Look at RX7 forums and I've seen it on some 240 forums, actual reviews and possibly some data.

Done right, it can allow for better airflow through the rad and IC. Remember the rad is just as important, all I see in the responses is stuff about IC's and piping and power, but there's more to it than that. And when I say done right, I mean properly ducted. Sealed ducts leading the air through the bumper to the rad and IC and out underneath the car and through the hood. But who knows if a conventional setup ducted as well as a good v-mount setup would as well or better or worse.

But there's just not enough room in the supra engine bay to do it right unless you move the engine back. You have to think is it worth the effort for a possibly small gain in rad and IC efficiencies? For most people, probably not. And for those that think it is and don't do it right, it will end up hurting performance.

 

[NashMan]

in the end it's to be diffent


is worth the money to me to do no (can't cut my car apart)

if done right will there be a gain yes sure hell yes

in the end you can't take the plan out of cookie box to make this


just off teh top of my head

you will need new bumper new hood air channleing



and in the edn diffetn cause no one has doen ti cause every one that own mk3 is cheep

 

[johnathan1]

This guy did one with a 1J, it doesn't look like it's that big of a deal.

HOLY F*CK! The only things holding that car together are the front bumper support, nose panel and crossmember! I can't believe someone would do something so stupid as cutting the front core support out completely! O_O That car must be a wet noodle in the twisties, and downright dangerous at speed!

 

[Poodles]

the temp V mounting is simply the tilting of the IC and/or radiator to get better airflow to em...

We have this STOCK (the IC is NOT perpendicular to the ground). Corvettes, F-bodies, ect have their radiators tilted as well to get the airflow over the radiator.

V-mounting in the manner I've seen on the MKIII is plain...stupid. Removing the core support is foolish (any number of reasons, it's pretty obvious), and the gains are few.

If you want to do something like that, remove the IC entirely, put a small water to air intercooler and allow full flow to the radiator.

Everywhere I've ever read says that a good front mount intercooler is best for power as it gets the best airflow, but it can hinder the function of the radiator. We don't have that issue so it's a mute design point.

 

[NashMan]

well the only proper way i whould do it is so the air come form bottom though ic exits out of hood and all channled if done proper this will in cress down froce

now is it easy or worth it that's frankly up to you

race car's and rally cars bean doing it for year's

 

[Wiisass]

Nash, you're talking about coming in through the bumper and then up through the IC and out the hood. With the air that's coming in the bumper also going through the rad and then ducted underneath the car. Right?

And you will see more gains in downforce through the air going under the car. The air moving faster under the car will create a low pressure zone sucking the car down. But that air still has to be ducted properly.

 

[NashMan]

thus why i said it not some thing you just pull out of your hat and make