Turbo Carnage! / Upgrade Discussion

[Poodles]

Stock mani does nicely to 600hp its just no one usually wants to keep it. Toyota/Yamaha did a very very great job designing these engines.

Never seen a 100% stock manifold do that much, they were all ported (NOT a fun job).

 

[A. Jay]

Never seen a 100% stock manifold do that much, they were all ported (NOT a fun job).

Yea, the most I've ever heard of is 520 whp, on 7mpower (http://7mpower.com/orian_iglesias.shtml). There's quite a few on there making over 400 on a stock one.

 

[hvyman]

Never seen a 100% stock manifold do that much, they were all ported (NOT a fun job).

who has tried? porting not a fun job? all it is is grinding the middle. simple yes, time consuming yes, will it make it yes, will most people upgrade to a t4 waty before then yes. So your fact is where?

Edit: who in the hell takes a bolt on turbo to 600hp with out a t4 turbo/mani not really no one. has it been doen yes it has. Im not going to search for you.

 

[speedfreak426]

I dont believe with rep DM has that they would allow garbage on the shelf. And also believe they put their products through testing as to see how they will hold up. they take care of us out here. by piecing it all together you are gonna be in deep with fab and expenses

I have had 2 Driftmotion turbochargers blow up on me already

 

[hvyman]

You had 2 turbos that blew up like the pics in post 1?

 

[speedfreak426]

You had 2 turbos that blew up like the pics in post 1?

No, just toasted the turbine side bearings on both. My Factory CT26 blew up like that though.

My 2 driftmotion turbos were toast after 200 miles each. can't figure out why, and now they refuse to warranty. Oil passages are clear, everything checks out with the motor. Just keeps toasting the rear seal for some reason, the compressor side never has a problem.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

No, just toasted the turbine side bearings on both. My Factory CT26 blew up like that though.

My 2 driftmotion turbos were toast after 200 miles each. can't figure out why, and now they refuse to warranty. Oil passages are clear, everything checks out with the motor. Just keeps toasting the rear seal for some reason, the compressor side never has a problem.

Besides this quote, THE WHOLE HOST OF OTHER QUOTES IN THIS THREAD WILL NOT TURN INTO A DRIFTMOTION BASH SESSION

To reply to this quote. If you've had THREE turbochargers blow up on your car, IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, there's something wrong with your engine/car, or the way you're installing the turbocharger.

Also, for the rest of you...

DO NONE OF YOU READ?

Failures like this can, and will happen. Driftmotion, Turbonetics, Cummins, Detroit, Garrett - it doesn't matter. Sometimes things fail. Nothing is perfect. The 57 trim wheels are CAST, and will have cycle fatigue over time if they are not cast correctly.

Do I need to say more?

 

[theKnifeArtist]

thanks for the replies everyone.
yeah this turbo was rebuilt by driftmotion about 12K miles ago
im using a recirculated and recently cleaned and lubed HKS SSQV. I might consider getting a different one because I was chasing a compressor surge noise for a while and then deemed it "normal SSQV flutter". so now i dont trust the SSQV or a rebuilt turbo..

The "CX T61 bolt on upgrade" sparked my attention. ive been busy so i didn't get a chance to read the whole thread but this looks like exactly what i am looking for. Being able to reuse my stock manifold and DDP would be ideal. But no upgraded CT for me.
How many turbo bolt on options are out there with this setup? And what kind of power am i looking at?
i think i want to bump my whp plans from 450 to 500 haha:biglaugh:

 

[hvyman]

Sp and pt both make bolt on turbos. Base price off there site is around 1100.

 

[MDCmotorsports]

......HKS SSQV. I might consider getting a different one because I was chasing a compressor surge noise for a while and then deemed it "normal SSQV flutter"

There you go folks. Ignorance is NOT bliss. Prime example of why a potential problem should have been investigated. Since the problem was not investigated, the user now has "turbo carnage" and doesn't trust the "rebuilt turbocharger" when, most likely, it was not the turbocharger that caused its own failure.

 

[89supra7mgte]

I agree. First thing to do is figure out why it went out like. i have heard of compressor surge being hell on any turbo. I also believe that any rebuilt turbo that correctly balanced and assembled will work as long the installation on the turbo is proper also. You say the feed line was, that doesnt necessarily mean it was when the turbo blew up? Could have a small blockage that under pressure plugged the line and after pulling apart fell out?

Like stated 3 turbos that went in the same way, i would call driver error or install.

 

[figgie]

Folks,

stay on topic (come on! You are all grown up! Why should I be posting this....Keep it in line or I will!)

 

[theKnifeArtist]

There you go folks. Ignorance is NOT bliss. Prime example of why a potential problem should have been investigated. Since the problem was not investigated, the user now has "turbo carnage" and doesn't trust the "rebuilt turbocharger" when, most likely, it was not the turbocharger that caused its own failure.

You quoted me and ripped it apart without even understanding what you quoted.

If I was "chasing a compressor surge noise for a while", then that obviously means i was investigating the problem.
A larger vacuum source was tried,
the BOV was completely disassembled, checked, lubricated, and reassembled.
I did plenty of research on this and apparently it's a common concern. There is a misconception between compressor surge and hks ssqv valve release flutter. After doing plenty of investigation and listening in on others' similar concerns, my hks ssqv was operating normally.
I know what it sounds like a run boost with a bov line disconnected, and this is not the extent of a noise that was heard.
So before you think you can step up and solve the puzzle by pointing a finger, ask questions so we can talk about it and find the problem. This is a forum and that's exactly why its here. That shit doesn't fucking fly in this forum.
Arguments don't get us anywhere so lets just move on and get back on topic.

 

[theKnifeArtist]

I've been looking at this CX Racing T61 turbo that was previously recommended.

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchan...e=CXR&Product_Code=TRB-T61&Category_Code=TOCH

Any idea on power figures with my supporting mods?

Any kind of other equivalent turbo recommendations?

Would the oil line fitting adapter plate on my upgrade CT work with this turbo?

My DDP will work this turbo if the tab is cut off and i get a gasket with a divider, right?

 

[MDCmotorsports]

You quoted me and ripped it apart without even understanding what you quoted.

If I was "chasing a compressor surge noise for a while", then that obviously means i was investigating the problem.
A larger vacuum source was tried,
the BOV was completely disassembled, checked, lubricated, and reassembled.
I did plenty of research on this and apparently it's a common concern. There is a misconception between compressor surge and hks ssqv valve release flutter. After doing plenty of investigation and listening in on others' similar concerns, my hks ssqv was operating normally.
I know what it sounds like a run boost with a bov line disconnected, and this is not the extent of a noise that was heard.
So before you think you can step up and solve the puzzle by pointing a finger, ask questions so we can talk about it and find the problem. This is a forum and that's exactly why its here. That shit doesn't fucking fly in this forum.
Arguments don't get us anywhere so lets just move on and get back on topic.

And you never thought of running a different BOV? You just assumed this "flutter" was normal and continued on your way?

I've been looking at this CX Racing T61 turbo that was previously recommended.

http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchan...e=CXR&Product_Code=TRB-T61&Category_Code=TOCH

Any idea on power figures with my supporting mods?

Any kind of other equivalent turbo recommendations?

Would the oil line fitting adapter plate on my upgrade CT work with this turbo?

My DDP will work this turbo if the tab is cut off and i get a gasket with a divider, right?

That turbo you see there is built off a t4 bearing housing. The 60 trim is a good flowing, mild wheel with a fairly forgiving compressor map. Much more forgiving than the 60-1 wheel.

I do not know the quality of the turbocharger though. It could be a Chinese bomb....

 

[theKnifeArtist]

I'll definitely consider running a different bov when i get a new turbo, but i figured if my condition is normal and others experience the same normal operation phenomenon then it would be just fine. I like my recirculated ssqv setup, i figured this bov should be trusted since its used in a millions applications.

so where can i buy a quality bolt on upgrade?

 

[hvyman]

http://www.spracingonline.com/store/SP_61GT_87-92_Supra_Direct_Bolt-On_/3143

 

[IJ.]

Think I'd be making 100% sure of the root cause of the failures before throwing a new Turbo at it.

Would be worth having someone that knows about them to pull one of the dead ones down and do a post mortem.

 

[89supra7mgte]

There is a thread started on the cxracing turbo. take a good gander at that. It states that the bearings are chinese, but read through it and make your decision

 

[theKnifeArtist]

http://www.spracingonline.com/store/SP_61GT_87-92_Supra_Direct_Bolt-On_/3143

That looks like a nice upgrade. But I don't really need a turbo capable to 680 CHP. Anything like that, just a little smaller on the turbo and the price would be nice

Think I'd be making 100% sure of the root cause of the failures before throwing a new Turbo at it.

Would be worth having someone that knows about them to pull one of the dead ones down and do a post mortem.

I'm would suspecting a balancing problem, or a lack of oil pressure problem. I can check the oil pressure feed when i clean it up and have a new turbo, so im thinking i ruled out the options. :dunno: any thoughts about it and i'm definitely listening.

There is a thread started on the cxracing turbo. take a good gander at that. It states that the bearings are chinese, but read through it and make your decision

The link is addressed in this thread. I read through the whole thing and i liked it, but i seem to be getting driven in the direction of using a more reputable brand turbo.