Too much torque?

[googooflexy]

Ok, my roommate's been bitchin about my MKIII sitting in the back yard waiting for my SB Chevy to go into it. He keeps telling me that the 350 has too much torque and that when I hit the gas, I'm gonna twist the frame on the supra. I keep telling him that what he's sayin is bullshit because these cars can handle alot of power. I know that I have nothing to worry about, but he's a gung-ho domestic fan and is very stubborn. I need some evidence of some kind to put him into his place...maybe an example of someone with a shit-ton of torque on their car without a roll cage, or maybe some actual technical information about the struture of this car.

He's just makin me mad with his "you can't put that engine into a ricer" bullshit. ...I keep sayin "It's not a goddamn ricer!"

I know the supra's very heavy and should be able to tolerate high torque curves...or do I actually have something to worry about?

Just lookin for some input.

 

[supra_ed]

there was a guy out here in columbus that had a 400 small block with a turbo 350 in his 88. on drag radials it was running low 11s with no carb tuning. he didnt do any major work to the chasis. only problem he ran into was fitting turbo 350 int the tunnel, which he fixed with a sledge hammer.

 

[googooflexy]

there was a guy out here in columbus that had a 400 small block with a turbo 350 in his 88. on drag radials it was running low 11s with no carb tuning. he didnt do any major work to the chasis. only problem he ran into was fitting turbo 350 int the tunnel, which he fixed with a sledge hammer.

lol, sweet...my roommate had a SB 400 in his last big fat truck. That might shut him up a bit.

 

[Nick M]

Unless that 350 came from a pre smog era framed car, your Supra is much stiffer and rigid. GM , Ford, and Chrysler met cafe by going to unibody structures over heavy frames. In addtion to downsizing engines.

But like I said, if he is refrencing a 66 Chevelle that was iron with a real frame, Then no, the Supra is not stiffer.

 

[googooflexy]

Unless that 350 came from a pre smog era framed car, your Supra is much stiffer and rigid. GM , Ford, and Chrysler met cafe by going to unibody structures over heavy frames. In addtion to downsizing engines.

But like I said, if he is refrencing a 66 Chevelle that was iron with a real frame, Then no, the Supra is not stiffer.

Nah, it's an 80s engine. It came out of either an 89 camaro or a late 80s Corvette. I was fairly sure that the supra was just as stiff, if not stiffer, than an 80s unibody camaro.
I've also tried telling him this...but he's what I like to call "Perma-Ignorant"

 

[supra_ed]

yup, no need to worry about frame. i would worry about weight, 350/400 should weigh more than 7m. try to use a turbo body (rearend at least). u will need the lsd. the guy i knew used an na body so he put in a ford 9.

build the small block before a put it in to make it worth while. if its gonna be stock u r better off usinf a turbo 7m. on a side note, u can never beat the cheap reliability of a small block chevy. no 7m/2jz/1jz will ever compare. and thats coming from a ford man...

 

[Doward]

Oh man. The supra is WORLDS stiffer than a 3rd generation Fbody (82-92)

I should know - I've owned both ('88 Camaro vs '88 Supra)

That said, don't bother with the 350ci. Get yourself a 383 stroker kit

 

[googooflexy]

yup, no need to worry about frame. i would worry about weight, 350/400 should weigh more than 7m. try to use a turbo body (rearend at least). u will need the lsd. the guy i knew used an na body so he put in a ford 9.

build the small block before a put it in to make it worth while. if its gonna be stock u r better off usinf a turbo 7m. on a side note, u can never beat the cheap reliability of a small block chevy. no 7m/2jz/1jz will ever compare. and thats coming from a ford man...

i couldn't agree more.

Yeah, the enigine's definitely not stock...somewhere in the 400hp and tq area. And i agree, reliability is legendary in ford and chevy smallblocks.

And yes, i'd never put a stock v8 in a supra...a 7mgte would be worlds better.

Oh man. The supra is WORLDS stiffer than a 3rd generation Fbody (82-92)

I should know - I've owned both ('88 Camaro vs '88 Supra)

Haha, my roommate had an 84 camaro a couple years back. He keeps using that as his reference.
"My old camaro could handle twice the power..." blah blah blah...

Yes...this all helps. Thanks guys!
any more?

 

[supra_ed]

Oh man. The supra is WORLDS stiffer than a 3rd generation Fbody (82-92)

I should know - I've owned both ('88 Camaro vs '88 Supra)

That said, don't bother with the 350ci. Get yourself a 383 stroker kit

lol, yeah ive built a 383. talk about low end torque! and that was with a single plane victor! very cheap very reliable and decent power. 425hp naturally apirated, low compression (it was built to be a blower motor). had all sorts of tranny problems- 700r4 r junk no matter how "built" go with turbo 350. make sure ur using 4 bolt block. 400hp is about the max for a 2 bolt main as far as reliability goes

 

[googooflexy]

lol, yeah ive built a 383. talk about low end torque! and that was with a single plane victor! very cheap very reliable and decent power. 425hp naturally apirated, low compression (it was built to be a blower motor). had all sorts of tranny problems- 700r4 r junk no matter how "built" go with turbo 350. make sure ur using 4 bolt block. 400hp is about the max for a 2 bolt main as far as reliability goes

yeah, its a 2 bolt...it's not goin past 400 horsies as far as im concerned. I just wanted the right to say i had 8 cylinders in a supra.

after this, all i hafta do is get one with a 7m and ill be happy.

 

[supra_ed]

lol keep me posted on this man. at one time i was planning on putting a ford 331 stroker or my 5.4l mod motor with its 4v cobra heads (thats just lyin around and is now for sale hint hint.....pm anyone?) in my supra but decided to build the headache instead. im curious to see how it goes. afterall, im a muscle car guy when it comes down to it.

if ur buddy still doesnt believe u, just show him all the guys making 600hp any equall amounts of torque from their 7ms (7mpower.com, gte-powered.com) with no chassis mods. torque is torque no matter a v8 or i6. if he's still thick headed, kick him in the groin and do it anyway.

 

[ForcedTorque]

YOU and your buddy should definitely make sure you watch the PINKS episode TONIGHT on the speed channel. It may open your eyes on the 7M and shut him up on the domestic shit for a little while

 

[tlo86]

the only v-8 i would use in my supra is a UZ v-8.. mainly because i havent seen a 2uz yet

your friend obviously has something againt japanese cars because thats a tarded statement... but no car is perfect if you want to make a lot of power i would reinforce the rear subframe and rear traction arms (kind of ) as they are the weak link.

 

[7MGTEsup]

As for torque I think Duane is putting down near 700lbs/ft at the rear wheels and I'm pretty sure his car has no cage or bracing.

 

[googooflexy]

lol keep me posted on this man. at one time i was planning on putting a ford 331 stroker or my 5.4l mod motor with its 4v cobra heads (thats just lyin around and is now for sale hint hint.....pm anyone?) in my supra but decided to build the headache instead. im curious to see how it goes. afterall, im a muscle car guy when it comes down to it.

if ur buddy still doesnt believe u, just show him all the guys making 600hp any equall amounts of torque from their 7ms (7mpower.com, gte-powered.com) with no chassis mods. torque is torque no matter a v8 or i6. if he's still thick headed, kick him in the groin and do it anyway.

lol, you got it. just keep a close eye on my build thread...it should pick up speed within the next few weeks cuz of more work (more money) and will hopefully be done by the end of the year.

YOU and your buddy should definitely make sure you watch the PINKS episode TONIGHT on the speed channel. It may open your eyes on the 7M and shut him up on the domestic shit for a little while

Haha, i certainly would...but no speed channel. there's a monopoly with the cable company in my area and they suck. its a long story.
But yeah, im definitely a 7m believer...my buddy however...not quite as much faith.


EDIT: Just took a look at 7mpower.com and i think i have all the proof i ever need lol.
Will Neely's supra is proof enough.
http://www.7mpower.com/will_neely.shtml

 

[GrimJack]

As for torque I think Duane is putting down near 700lbs/ft at the rear wheels and I'm pretty sure his car has no cage or bracing.

Duane has had a cage for years. It makes working under the driver's side dash a pain. Ask me how I know.

Will Neely's old car, on the other hand... ~750 torque, no cage.

 

[UberSupra]

I bent my both traction bars with 330ish TQ and R-compound tires. I had them beefed up since:

 

[googooflexy]

I bent my both traction bars with 330ish TQ and R-compound tires. I had them beefed up since:

yeah, this kinda stuff i am worried about. These kinda pieces seem like a weak link with the amount of low end torque I hope to put out.
But...
My buddy isn't talking about this stuff really...he's talkin about blowin up a rear end or stomping the gas and ending up drivin a bent car around on three wheels lol. He thinks the car itself cant handle it.

 

[GrimJack]

I bent my both traction bars with 330ish TQ and R-compound tires. I had them beefed up since:

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Damn... I guess I'd better look at mine! What were you doing?

yeah, this kinda stuff i am worried about. These kinda pieces seem like a weak link with the amount of low end torque I hope to put out.
But...
My buddy isn't talking about this stuff really...he's talkin about blowin up a rear end or stomping the gas and ending up drivin a bent car around on three wheels lol. He thinks the car itself cant handle it.

Tell him to stop smoking the crack, it's just not going to happen. If it were, we'd have long since found out about it, there are plenty of people that are above 500tq at the wheels.

Better yet, bring him to a meet and one of us will give him a ride around the block. After putting some plastic on the passenger seat so we don't have to clean the piss stains again.

 

[Nick M]

- 700r4 r junk no matter how "built" go with turbo 350.

The 200R4 holds much better from what I have seen.

I bent my both traction bars with 330ish TQ and R-compound tires. I had them beefed up since:

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You know you are fast when you start breaking parts.