The supra has ended my future and my life
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IJ. said:
heh funny you should say that, i AM getting another part time job ontop of school for extra transport cash.
Are your parents going to make the payments on the new car? Sometimes new car payments can cost more than repairs to the old one. Part of the reason I never buy brand new cars. Anyway, if it was down to driving a Metro or deal with keep fixin' the Supra, it's gonna be all about the Sup!
BTW...if properly maintained, I don't think the Supra will fail you. I've had mine for 10 years (that's right, a whole decade!) and the only time it left on the road was ONE time when the lower radiator hose let go. I think the Supra is just fine as a DD if it gets proper and routine maintenance. My original motor lasted until 165000 miles before the rings finally gave out after running 26 psi a little too often. This was also before I knew a whole lot about the car and I assure you I did some stupid stuff to that poor engine just because I didn't know any better!
BTW...if properly maintained, I don't think the Supra will fail you. I've had mine for 10 years (that's right, a whole decade!) and the only time it left on the road was ONE time when the lower radiator hose let go. I think the Supra is just fine as a DD if it gets proper and routine maintenance. My original motor lasted until 165000 miles before the rings finally gave out after running 26 psi a little too often. This was also before I knew a whole lot about the car and I assure you I did some stupid stuff to that poor engine just because I didn't know any better!
So you mean to tell us that it is the Supra that has ruined your life and has denied you the possibility of a bright future?
How much more well-off would you be if the head and turbo were in good shape? If you're saying that less than $1000 will blow your budget, then it sounds like you've made some seriously ill-conceived decisions in the past. That is not the Supra's fault.
You say you paid $8K CDN and have invested $10K into it all together. As it seems to be the case, why would you sink all of your money into your Supra? A Supra is not the most logical choice out there for somebody that is not good with managing their [seemingly short supply of] money. The Supra did not force you to buy it, you chose to-with or without the realization that you need money for things other than a cool car.
Now I won't continue on with this much more, because I think you know where I'm coming from. Yes, I put it all bluntly, but you brought the possibility of your current situation upon yourself. You have nobody else to blame. Not the Supra and not the Supra's wonderful engineers.
It's a bummer, but I can't help but not feel bad.
How much more well-off would you be if the head and turbo were in good shape? If you're saying that less than $1000 will blow your budget, then it sounds like you've made some seriously ill-conceived decisions in the past. That is not the Supra's fault.
You say you paid $8K CDN and have invested $10K into it all together. As it seems to be the case, why would you sink all of your money into your Supra? A Supra is not the most logical choice out there for somebody that is not good with managing their [seemingly short supply of] money. The Supra did not force you to buy it, you chose to-with or without the realization that you need money for things other than a cool car.
Now I won't continue on with this much more, because I think you know where I'm coming from. Yes, I put it all bluntly, but you brought the possibility of your current situation upon yourself. You have nobody else to blame. Not the Supra and not the Supra's wonderful engineers.
It's a bummer, but I can't help but not feel bad.
ok here is how it goes. Even if i found some good replacment cams for cheap wich I have the head top in the groves needs to be resurfaced and the bottom part as well also needs to be resurfaced as well. So i figured I might as well pay 850 buxs for a brand new head. but wait I have been doing some looking around and look what I found on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-9...ewItemQQcategoryZ33617QQitemZ8005341427QQrdZ1
comes completly ready and with a 6 month unlimted mileage warranty
only for 565 candian plus 60 buxs shipping
sound like a good deal????
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/86-9...ewItemQQcategoryZ33617QQitemZ8005341427QQrdZ1
comes completly ready and with a 6 month unlimted mileage warranty
only for 565 candian plus 60 buxs shipping
sound like a good deal????
never mind the above post. Im not goign to buy that head as shipping and waiting 3 weeks for it too wouldn't be worth the 150 i'd be saving.
but here is my plan and im hoping on stickin to it:
getting him to get me the brand new head for 800 buxs. Then having them install along with all new gaskets, hg (torqed to 80lbs with ARP headbolts) and then flushing out the bottom end with some crappy oil and then putting in some good mobil 1 synthetic. with all that I'm going to pray to god that the bottom end doesn't fuck up. keep it for the winter mabye drive it just to get to work and home and then come spring possibly sell it. The selling part is a mabye i just plan on getting it fixed and running and then taking it from there(one step at a time)
but here is my plan and im hoping on stickin to it:
getting him to get me the brand new head for 800 buxs. Then having them install along with all new gaskets, hg (torqed to 80lbs with ARP headbolts) and then flushing out the bottom end with some crappy oil and then putting in some good mobil 1 synthetic. with all that I'm going to pray to god that the bottom end doesn't fuck up. keep it for the winter mabye drive it just to get to work and home and then come spring possibly sell it. The selling part is a mabye i just plan on getting it fixed and running and then taking it from there(one step at a time)
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
mods it barly has any. It has lots of interior and exterior mods but barly any for performance. It has a 3 inchs downpipe and all the emmision equipment removed(all cats and the stock resonator) and a K&n drop in with the stock air box modfied and thats it.JustAnotherVictim said:
Well today i order the new re condtion head so now i have to wait a few more days till i can get my car back.
OK this is all thats getting put on:
-new oem hg with ARP torqued to 80lbs using the moly lube
-all new gaskets and seals
-new recondtion head complete with cams and everything
-new lower ic pipe(still looking for one but i think i will pay the 90 bucks from speedsource and get the hard pipe one)
-new accordian hoses(lots of ppl have offered to sell me there i just need to pick the one thats the best deal or the closest to me here in canada)
-going to run some crappy brand of dino oil in it to help flush it out then put in some new 10W-30 mobil 1 synthetic
-new ngk irduim spark plugs
-new ct-26(still looking for one in good shape not going so good :3d_frown: )
So after alll of this is done i have a question do u think it will run like stock again??? becauses my supra has never ever ran quite right as has always been sorta or sluggish. It ran awesome for the first like 2 weeks I owned it but that was way back in july. All I want is for it too run like it did when i first bought it just to remind me how great this car is and how i fell in love with it becuases most of that love is gone
. It properly ran bad becuases the hg started to go, along with the massive shaft play in the turbo and the massivly crakced ic pipes and accordian hoses and the spark plugs being in shitty shape. I just pray to god it all works after this is all done.....
That stuff should make it run considerably better. If you had boost leak and a leaky accordian hose-on top of all the other stuff, then I wouldn't blame it for running like crap.
Hopefully your affinity for Supras will become stronger than ever after you get it back.
Hopefully your affinity for Supras will become stronger than ever after you get it back.
A. Don't buy a supra and take it to shops to get repairs unless you're rich. B. Learn how to turn a wrench and save some time. Spend money on machine work and parts that you can get cheaper anyways.
C. spending that much money and diff seals and iirc u said tires. Tires i can understand but to change the seals that's f*cking unreal. Goto sears and start spending money there.
D. If it all seems a little too much. fix the car sell it and buy a camry,corolla, or a honda of some sorts. Something easier to work on and a little cheaper.
C. spending that much money and diff seals and iirc u said tires. Tires i can understand but to change the seals that's f*cking unreal. Goto sears and start spending money there.
D. If it all seems a little too much. fix the car sell it and buy a camry,corolla, or a honda of some sorts. Something easier to work on and a little cheaper.
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
I see you never posted any photos of the head with the badly scored cam bearings....
I'm thinking you just got shafted for a new head, and mechanical work you did not need.
BHG is one thing. Pull the cams, arrange the lifters in order, and have the head surfaced smooth.
Clean up the block, and if there is not major rust or other defects in a sealing area, your good to go.
Put a MHG in there with brake quiet spray on it, and tourqe it down with ARP studs to 95lbs.
I've seen a few 7M heads apart now. Mine and others. THEY ARE ALL SCORED, AND LOOKED LIKE CRAP. but they were fine. The trick is when the cam is in place, and tourqed down, does it wobble around in the head? (Seriously, if there is excessive play in the camshaft, then it's worn out, untill then, it's FINE.)
The caps will always wear more than the saddles. (Infact, I think untill you have significant saddle wear, your head is generally fine.)
Good luck on the head gasket replacement using the stock composite head gasket. When your need for more power exceeds the 20psi point, that head gasket is done. (Or when you detonate from a bad tank of fuel, it's done.) Both are events the metal head gasket would survive with zero problems.
Mechanics and shops with no clue really piss me off. It gives everyone in the business a bad reputation.
I'm thinking you just got shafted for a new head, and mechanical work you did not need.
BHG is one thing. Pull the cams, arrange the lifters in order, and have the head surfaced smooth.
Clean up the block, and if there is not major rust or other defects in a sealing area, your good to go.
Put a MHG in there with brake quiet spray on it, and tourqe it down with ARP studs to 95lbs.
I've seen a few 7M heads apart now. Mine and others. THEY ARE ALL SCORED, AND LOOKED LIKE CRAP. but they were fine. The trick is when the cam is in place, and tourqed down, does it wobble around in the head? (Seriously, if there is excessive play in the camshaft, then it's worn out, untill then, it's FINE.)
The caps will always wear more than the saddles. (Infact, I think untill you have significant saddle wear, your head is generally fine.)
Good luck on the head gasket replacement using the stock composite head gasket. When your need for more power exceeds the 20psi point, that head gasket is done. (Or when you detonate from a bad tank of fuel, it's done.) Both are events the metal head gasket would survive with zero problems.
Mechanics and shops with no clue really piss me off. It gives everyone in the business a bad reputation.
Adjuster said:
oh well I already order the bran new 850 dollar head. Guess it will still be nice to have a brand new recondtioned head on there anyways. Also just bought a new accordian hoses from a member on the board along with im buying a lower ic hard pipe and a used ct-26. Hope when its all done the car runs good.....
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CTsupra
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agreed, you'll be all right. might want to give that head a once over at the machine shop. let them go over it, make sure it's in spec.
the mechanic shop isn't ordering it the machine shop is so the brand new recondtion head goes to them first then to the mechanic shop to get re-assembled. I'm hoping to have the car mabye by the end of this week. I'll tell u how it runs. then I have to wait for my ct-26, lower hard pipe and new accordian hoses and then try and swap thoses on my self(the ic and accordian hoses will be easy not too sure about swapping on a turbo though....) and then c how she runs...CtSupra said:
yeah thats what i meant was a recondtioned not a brand new one. But just out of curiosty a recondtioned one is basiclly like brand new isn't it?? just rebuilt basiclly back to stock specs right???IJ. said:
In theory yes!
The biggest concern I had when I was trying to find a good head to recondition was most were soft on the exhaust side.
The biggest concern I had when I was trying to find a good head to recondition was most were soft on the exhaust side
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Make sure you get your old head back. I can't stress this enough.
I know a guy that took his car (not a Supra) in to get a BHG (not a 7M) fixed and the shop told him he needed new or rebuilt heads because the originals were warped. Another buddy of mine told him to ask for his original heads back when he went to pick up the car. When he did that, they acted confused and it ended up being that they didn't even change them. They didn't even order new/rebuilt heads, they just wanted to get the extra money and let him think he had some different heads on there. As you could imagine, the guy with the car was fuming and they ended up cutting well over $1K off the bill.
Don't let this happen to you.
I know a guy that took his car (not a Supra) in to get a BHG (not a 7M) fixed and the shop told him he needed new or rebuilt heads because the originals were warped. Another buddy of mine told him to ask for his original heads back when he went to pick up the car. When he did that, they acted confused and it ended up being that they didn't even change them. They didn't even order new/rebuilt heads, they just wanted to get the extra money and let him think he had some different heads on there. As you could imagine, the guy with the car was fuming and they ended up cutting well over $1K off the bill.
Don't let this happen to you.