strut bar myths

BorHor

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If I can get my hands on a strut bar I will give it a shot when I go to the track. Maybe I will do that when I feel like spending money on something that might not work... but basically I will do a few runs with out the bar, then with the bar, and probably with out the bar again to see if i can notice a difference.
 

NgoFcukinWay

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IJ.;997520 said:
No mention of a double a arm test car there Alex.

ooh. whoops. Only skimmed through the thread, found that link, and tossed it up. Ahwell. Some good info in this thread though from what I've read so far.
 

Facime

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BorHor;997527 said:
If I can get my hands on a strut bar I will give it a shot when I go to the track. Maybe I will do that when I feel like spending money on something that might not work... but basically I will do a few runs with out the bar, then with the bar, and probably with out the bar again to see if i can notice a difference.

Unless you put in on a skidpad your subjective test would be useless in this discussion. Hell even with a skidpad test it might be useless, lol.
 

IwantMKIII

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theWeezL;997533 said:
Unless you put in on a skidpad your subjective test would be useless in this discussion. Hell even with a skidpad test it might be useless, lol.

there are too many variables to a skid pad. A force/strain gauge is required to get some hard facts instead of just "thinking" its stiffer or not
 

IwantMKIII

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buckshotglass;997551 said:
This.
I read the whole thread to find that. If the strut bar has only one bolt at each end, it's not doing much.

one bolts or a million bolts, that has nothing to do with it. I could fab up a bar that uses three axis and is held together by 1 bolt
 

IwantMKIII

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SupraOfDoom;997822 said:
How could we test something like this? I'm very curious to find out the truth...

I'd do the test but due to my recent 'situation' (car is burnt to a crisp), i simply cannot :3d_frown:
 

themadhatter

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IMO strut baces are for the most part nothing but nice engine bling but they do make a world of differance on some cars I'll use my girl friends mustang as an example she has a 95 gt mustang convertable and her dad has a 93 mustang convertable. Yes the 93 and 95 have a different body style but they share the same "fox" unibody platform, The 93 is the worst car i have ever driven it shakes,rattles, and generally couldn't take a decent turn to save its life but the 95 handles very nicely the only differance is the addition of 2 braces added to the body. The first brace is a triangled strut towerbrace and the secound is a large X shaped brace that conects the front subframe to the middle of the car.
 

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SupraOfDoom;997822 said:
How could we test something like this? I'm very curious to find out the truth...


I just realized you said HOW.

simple:

Take a normal strut bar, cut a small piece out of the middle and in its place put the pressure sensor for a force/strain gauge. {somehow you'd have to rig up something that it would stay there}

Drive the car normal then around hard turns at various speeds. Record the results.
 

miekedmr

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speed;997415 said:
Okay, I went out to the garage to try and find my dynamics book and just do the math for you ...diagrams...

I'll try to clarify things a little.

The article he took the diagrams from is showing the merit of a double wishbone suspension in that it can put the reaction point in a specific spot (sort of like the axis the car rolls around) to get the desired suspension dynamics.

No one can say that the spring and strut don't carry the wieght of the car, even in a double wishbone setup. That's their whole purpose. When the car leans around a turn, there is a strong force being applied to the strut towers.

STBs on a double wishbone car are going to have the same effect on chassis rigidity as on a macpherson strut car, most else being equal. I don't doubt Larry A's testimony that the STB kept his car straighter and caused a wheel to come off the ground where it hadn't before.

The important distinction to make is that the geometry of the strut towers is really not important to the suspension dynamics in a double wishbone design. The diagrams speed posted show that. As long as the geometry of the control arms is consistent, the suspension will act consistently.

With macpherson struts, changes in the strut tower geometry are bad news, and any improvement is good. (The improvement offered by different strut tower bars is still arguable.)

Basically:
Even if you ARE making your body a little more rigid, you AREN'T really helping the suspension much because double wishbone doesn't suffer from the same problems.
 
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Poodles

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The only advantage I can see is if you used a MKIV TRD bar (which have NO joints), and it would help stiffen the BODY, not the suspension.

If I ever get around to learning how to weld I'll make some good braces to brace up the body to try and eliminate targa flex...
 

Asterix

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My $0.05:

At first it seemed to me that the STB improved handling. After a few weeks, I decided that didn't. However, it does make the car feel stiffer. That perception is important because it gives me a slightly better feel for what's going on with the tires.

The two reasons why mine is still on is for perception and longevity. The less the body moves around, the longer all those spot welds will hold.

Asterix