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huntin5L

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Well my car is having problems starting. Then i would jiggle the cps wires and then it would start. Today it wouldn't start so i jiggled the wires for an hour and nothing. I have power, but when i start it, it doesn't do anything. Please help this is my DD.
 

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Well I would be willing to bet that you snapped the wires for the CPS. The wires are old and brittle, you probably had a wire that was just going out, but from moving them you more than likely have totally broken the wires. So you will either need to rewire your CPS, or find one that works from someone parting out their car. (or spend $600 at toyo for a new one)
 

huntin5L

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I get nothing i turn the key no crank, nothing. Ill check the grounds. I know i had this problem before and i wiggled the cps wires at least that is what i think they are, and it started right up. ill take a pic.
 

huntin5L

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I ripped the old electrical tape or whatever the crusted material was so i could seperate the wire to see if the open wires were touching each other. Still got nothing after attempting to start the car.
 
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My CPS looked like that...I cut the wires, spliced new ones to the connector, and used shrink tubing to re-insulate. Check the harness side wires that go across the top front of the cam covers...mine were in pretty bad shape there too.
 

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i know that theres info about rewiring your cps somewhere here. or at least how someone built there own hall affect style cps. (**chime in here please**). i dont remeber where and when i saw it. look a little harder. it here somewhere or someone has the info to get you there.

i would still double check the grounds though. make sure there clean and tight.
 

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Your CPS doesn't controll the startup signal to the starter.

You need to check your starter signal wire going to the starter, and make sure all your wires - ESPECIALLY the main power wire to the starter are tight and free of corrosion.
 

huntin5L

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So when you say it doesn't control the startup signal to the starter then you are saying i should at least be hearing it turning over then right? So it must be something else like your saying
 

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Yes the cps only controlls when the coils and ignitor fire the spark plugs.

There is a little 14 gauge wire that runs out the back of the starter. CHeck that for either being gone, corroded, or loose. Thats the signal wire.

There is a main batter ground, a fuse box ground, a block to chassis ground, a head to firewall ground, and a cpu ground (4 wires total, 2 white 2 brown) under the intake mani.

I *think* thats all the grounds.

There is a relay up under the pass side of the dash also... but I wouldn't think of it as the culprit.
 

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Ohhh...I misunderstood the problem. Could be the starter solenoid. If you can see it on top of the starter, tap on it with a metal rod (be careful not to ground the hot wire) while someone tries to start the car. If it starts that's great, but it means it's going bad.
 

huntin5L

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I found the four wires under the intake mani and the connection is very clean ill check the main lead at the back of the starter tomorrow
 

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Get a breaker bar or something and smack the side of the started and see if it starts or atleast turns over. It doesn't take a hard hit and a typical 1/2" breaker bar will allow you to reach down from the top and hit the side of the starter. if so the the solinoid on the starts is going out. A lot of the rebuilt starters from like Advance auto part, pepboy, autozone, ect. are POS's. I along with a lot of others that I know have had problems very similar to what you are describing and the fix for mine was a new solinoid from Toyota. no problems since then and that was about 2 years ago.

Now I have also had the start signal wire that MDC talked about come out of the starter, but that was also 3 days after I had put the motor back in the car so I am assuming that it was my fauld and I hadn't pluged it in all the way to where it locked.