Power steering fluid or ATF?

arz

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Yes I searched, but I thought I saw this before...

Can I use ATF in the power steering?

I know some steering systems use ATF and other systems the seals wont tolerate it and those systems specifically call for "Power Steering fluid"

I lost some recently when I yanked the motor in my 89 and replaced all the bearings. It sure did look red and I can say what the original owner did.

I purchased this car a year ago with a slight rod knock and let it sit for a year before I could get around to it.

I removed the pump and reservior from the motor and strapped it up put of the way, but still lost a little bit while moving things around and cleaning.
 

jdub

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Yes you can Andy...in fact, the TRSM calls for Dextron or Dextron II to be used.

This might be a good time to drain all the fluid and replace it.
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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You could use atf but I wouldn't unless I ABSOLUTLEY had to. The ATF could damage the seals as you stated and you run the risk of burning the pump out if the viscosity of the ATF is to high. So I would only use the ATF if I was in a pinch, after I got home I would change back to the PSF ASAP.
 

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Sl1dewaysSupra said:
You could use atf but I wouldn't unless I ABSOLUTLEY had to. The ATF could damage the seals as you stated and you run the risk of burning the pump out if the viscosity of the ATF is to high. So I would only use the ATF if I was in a pinch, after I got home I would change back to the PSF ASAP.

Huh? The power steering fluid for the MKIII is ATF. What you really want to avoid is what I did when I first got my Supra. I accidentally put windshield washer fluid in the reservoir... :(
 

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Sl1dewaysSupra said:
You could use atf but I wouldn't unless I ABSOLUTLEY had to. The ATF could damage the seals as you stated and you run the risk of burning the pump out if the viscosity of the ATF is to high. So I would only use the ATF if I was in a pinch, after I got home I would change back to the PSF ASAP.


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Read the TRSM...it calls for ATF to be used in the P/S.
 

Sl1dewaysSupra

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Not to thread jack but is there a way to drain my power steering res.? Mabey I should put the ATF in there and see if it will slow or stop the leak before I shell out $ and buy new hoses etc.
 

JustAnotherVictim

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Sl1dewaysSupra said:
You could use atf but I wouldn't unless I ABSOLUTLEY had to. The ATF could damage the seals as you stated and you run the risk of burning the pump out if the viscosity of the ATF is to high. So I would only use the ATF if I was in a pinch, after I got home I would change back to the PSF ASAP.
Read th cap on the p/s reservoir man....
 

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swaq said:
Huh? The power steering fluid for the MKIII is ATF. What you really want to avoid is what I did when I first got my Supra. I accidentally put windshield washer fluid in the reservoir... :(

ouch... how did you manage to do that?
 

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Sl1dewaysSupra said:
Not to thread jack but is there a way to drain my power steering res.? Mabey I should put the ATF in there and see if it will slow or stop the leak before I shell out $ and buy new hoses etc.

Remove the lower hoses.
 

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Nick M said:
Nice car in the sig.


You should see it in person ;) Got a 7M-GTE motor in it w/ lots of mods and it weighs about a 1000# lighter than a Supra.
 

cjsupra90

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Yes, with the exception of Honda's, Jag's and IIRC one or two others one being I think Lambo's, its actually better to use ATF (i.e. Dexron any of the levels I, II, III) even in older cars that call for power steering fluid and not ATF. Power Steering fluid and ATF are basically the same, the advantage to the ATF is it has anti-foaming aggents add to it. Other then that, they are basically the same.

Speeking of this, kinda off topic but not really, incase anyone ownes a Jag of anysort and you need PS fluid, get it from honda or anywhere that sells the honda specific fluid. It is a lot cheaper and is the indentical same stuff. Well actually sent out a bottle of the honda fluid and a bottle of the Jag fluid (both bought from the dealers) to a chemical testing lab and according to the tests, they are indentical. The guy told us that the only differance was the bottles. Just some food for thought.....
 

Adjuster

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Easy flush of your system.

You need two or three quarts of Dextron ATF.

You also need a short section of hose with a bolt in one end, and another short section of hose with a coupler, or short metal pipe in there so you can splice the two hoses together...

BTW, the metal pipe needs to be the same size as the return fitting on the PS tank. (About 1/2" IIRC.)

Ok here goes.
1) Remove the return line from the tank. Plug the return fitting so it's not leaking all over the place.
2) Splice your other hose into the return hose with the short metal pipe. Using clamps is not really a problem if your pipe and hoses are the right size, but clamps will make the job less messy if you have wrong sized stuff.
3) Remove the lid now. (IF you have the lid off before, it's going to make the return line leak like crazy v/s just leak some when you swap over the hoses.)
4) Put the spliced hose end into the 2 L pop bottle, or other container like a windshield washer fluid, or 5 quart oil container... In any case, you want to be able to put all the old PS fluid into it with no mess, or overflow. (Two people really helps out here.)
5) Now with one person pouring fresh ATF into the PS tank, have the other start the car... DO NOT REV THE MOTOR.
6) Notice that the old fluid will be going into the old container, and the new stuff your pouring into the tank will be replacing it in the system.
7) Keep pouring in fresh fluid, it goes down pretty quickly, but don't just pour it all over the place. (Use a funnel if you can't pour without one.)
8) Have your helper turn the wheel from one side to the other while the car is running at idle. DO NOT REV UP THE MOTOR.. If you do, it will pump way too much fluid, and might cause a problem where you can't get the tank full fast enough.
9) As the wheel is turned from side to side, notice all the dark, used ATF coming out? After about two turns from side to side, you should have all new fluid in your system, but I'd use all 2 quarts, or more if you want. (Keep some so you can fill up the system when your done however.)

10) Ok, now you should have new clean ATF coming out of the return hose, so run the engine so the fluid is just below the return fitting, and shut down the engine. (This will stop the pump..)

Remove your temporary spliced in line and pipe, and the plug you had on the return fitting on the tank.

Replace that POS cheap clamp with a real one please!

Top off your tank, and start the car. Check the fluid level, and have the wheel turned from side to side a few times to make sure there are no air bubbles in the system. Check the level again, and your good to go.

If your really anal, you can remove the tank, power/steam clean it, and then start with a very clean tank full of clean fluid, and still dump all the old stuff into a old bottle. I did this when I rebuilt my engine, and had everything apart anyway. The screen inside the tank was pretty dirty, but not so dirty it would have caused a problem with flow or something. (Now it's like new.)

Have fun, and don't let kids drink or play with your old ATF, mark the container USED OIL, and then take it to a local autoparts dealer, and let them dispose of it correctly.
 

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stanzaspeed said:
swaq said:
Huh? The power steering fluid for the MKIII is ATF. What you really want to avoid is what I did when I first got my Supra. I accidentally put windshield washer fluid in the reservoir...
ouch... how did you manage to do that?

I got it mixed up. My winshield washer fluid was low so I went to fill it up. I have an NA so the reservoir is in the same general area and I just didn't see the actual windshield washer fluid one... :(
 

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Adjuster said:
Easy flush of your system.


If your really anal, you can remove the tank, power/steam clean it, and then start with a very clean tank full of clean fluid, and still dump all the old stuff into a old bottle. I did this when I rebuilt my engine, and had everything apart anyway. The screen inside the tank was pretty dirty, but not so dirty it would have caused a problem with flow or something. (Now it's like new.)

Have fun, and don't let kids drink or play with your old ATF, mark the container USED OIL, and then take it to a local autoparts dealer, and let them dispose of it correctly.
I plan on changing my pas fluid once i get the car back. But i have 2 questions.

1, I take it the return hose is the top hose? (probably obvious i know)

2, The fluid smells all burnt. the bottle is kinda stained brown. can i run the engine till all the fluid is out of the reservoir, remove and clean it then top up with fluid and continue the flush?

ta in advance:icon_bigg