Port and polish

Slyqc

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Im currently having my top engine rebuild, Hks MHG , ARP studs , new timming belt and water pump and full engine regrind gasket kit.
I took the full head port and polish is it worth it? (750$)

Thx in advance.

Sylvain
 

mkIIIman089

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BTW, I would be more interested in something like extrude honing. But apparently I'm pretty much the only one here who thinks that.
 

Slyqc

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mkIIIman089 Yeah i know... im sorry ... i tried to removed it but i couldn't do it with the rights im allowed in this forum :( ... so i asked if someone could do it as soon i got aware of the Multi-thread :p
Thx Sheaff for removing them . :) And thx all the other for there reply.



Sylvain
 

Nick M

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mkIIIman089 said:
BTW, I would be more interested in something like extrude honing. But apparently I'm pretty much the only one here who thinks that.

You aren't the only one.


A good port job can help any car. Just don't get caught up thinking the ports have to be huge to have the job benifiicial.
 

MRSUPRA

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The area around the valves is where you get the most benifit. A multi-angle valve job and porting in the bowl area will give you the best gains without sacrificing low end torque.
 

Slyqc

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The guy just called me today .... i need to do the block as well or he can't garantee the job. Maybe i should just forget about the HKS MHG ....
Anyway he will give me the price for the whole job tommorow :aigo:

And if i do what else should i change at the same time?

1. Oil pump
2. Full Gaskets
3. Bearings
4.
 

starscream5000

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That's a smart guy who told you that.

You need to have the RA specs met for both block and head for a MHG to seal properly without worries of it blowing (unless you've shirked you job in other areas...).
 

Poodles

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meh, I love how they don't warranty it unless the block is done too...

they'll get out of the warranty easy though, trust me...

if they do the work right, you won't ever have to talk to them about their screwups, and the warranty is usually a year at the most
 

Adjuster

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If you look into the stock head, there is casting and machined sharp edges just inside of all the runners.

This creates turbulence, and that lowers the ability to make power in some cases. (Some swirl is good for mixtures at lower engine speed, but pretty much, it lowers the power ability of the engine in most cases.)

Ok, so if you are not changing to larger valves, you can carefully clean up the runners where they come into the valve seats. (Smooth and remove all high, sharp edges, and do not nick the valve seats! A few layers of blue masking tape over the seats is good insurance.)

My setup has 1mm larger valves, and then I ported the runners to smooth them into the now larger valve opening. (We cut the seats down slightly, and the 3 angle job smooths flow over the now larger seat opening as the valves open up.)

On the intake side, just remove any large casting flash, but don't waste your time here. They are plenty large for this engine.
On the exhaust side, there are gains to be had if you port the runners larger, but not TOO large.

Do not gasket match, or port match the exhaust side of the head. I left about a 1mm to .5 mm "lip" where the exhaust gas spills into the header. Then I also opened up the header to make the "lip" even larger, closer to what they did stock. (The lip keeps some exhaust flow from reversing back up into the head, this boosts low/mid range tourqe on this engine, but does not cause so much of a flow restriction, that it will not pull to redline if your turbo is sized correctly.)

On the combustion chamber, drop in some old valves to protect the seats, and then blend/smooth all sharp edges in your chamber. I layered blue tape everywhere I did not want any carbide bit marks to end up. (Like where the head gasket seals up...) Don't go hog wild here. The idea is to remove any sharp edges that can cause problems if you run lean, and smooth the area where flow can be disturbed by sharp edges and breaks near the valves.

My head is also thermal barrier coated on the combustion chambers, exhaust runners, and intake runners have thermal dispersant along with the rest of the head to keep everything as cool as possible.

Whatever you do, replace your old worn out stock valve springs with new ones from Comp Cams. (They are originally made for a Big Chevy V8, but work great in our engines, and they are CHEAP!) About 60.00 and shipping for all 24 of them. Do a quick search, and you can find the part number, and order them direct from Comp Cams. :)

Good luck. :)

PS. If you ever do any port work, buy a carbide bit with the larger cuts in it, and use WD40 to lubricate the cutter from time to time. It makes it messy, but it cuts way better with lube, and it will not clog up your carbide this way. (You can remove quite a bit of material quickly with the large cutter and WD40, so start off slow, and make sure you don't break into any coolant passages. There is quite a bit of material in most places I've noted, so do those, and leave it alone..)

:)
 

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Adjuster said:
(You can remove quite a bit of material quickly with the large cutter and WD40, so start off slow, and make sure you don't break into any coolant passages. There is quite a bit of material in most places I've noted, so do those, and leave it alone..)

:)

To highlight the importance of this paragraph take a look inside.
(The pics expand and are HUGE for detail)















 

Nick M

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Poodles said:
meh, I love how they don't warranty it unless the block is done too...

they'll get out of the warranty easy though, trust me...

if they do the work right, you won't ever have to talk to them about their screwups, and the warranty is usually a year at the most

Why don't you stop passing along bad advice by ridiculing the correct procedure the shop is doing?

How many other 7M's have to go through a blown headgasket because the repair was not done correctly?

Even without the MHG, the block must be flat, or you will ruin the new gasket in time.
 

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^thanks for the pics, i had been searching for pics like that.

i also agree with whats been said. one of the best things for these heads is to just shape and smooth the head. shape the valve guide "bulge" into a tear shape and then smooth. just polish the short side radius. deshoud the boul area. blend the roof of the port and smooth the floor.

also you can put a plug into E6 port to block off the egr then blend the plug into the port.

-shane