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http://jalopnik.com/5840912/gm-inks...d-a-new-supra-is-coming?tag=the-morning-shift
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News from Jalopnik New Supra? UPDATED INFO from JalopniK
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Bah, I call BS. We've all been waiting for one for years, and much as we'd love to see it, I really don't think it's going to happen.
It might happen... as a show car. Production would probably depend on how well the new subi-yota car.
Toyota has a history of not bringing anything back after it's been cancelled. With that said, however, if they were to pick a car to break that with, the Supra would be an excellent candidate.
...and considering how long it's taken THAT car to make it to production (still not there as far as the news is concerned), I'd hate to think of how old I'd be before a new Supra would come out.Poodles;1760970 said:
Much as I hate to say it, I rather LOVE the idea of the new Subi-Yota-thing project, whatever they end up naming it. FR-S last I heard... Love the idea, and hope it sells like comfort food at a Phish concert, encouraging the auto industry to build more enthusiast cars. Wishful thinking, but I see potential in this one. That said, I'd rather spend my 20k+ on an NSX or Mk4 I think.
If I had to settle for a NEW car, or a new car to encourage people to look into, I'd certainly push in the FR-S direction, at least once I get behind the wheel myself.
GrimJack;1761036 said:
Unfortunately, you're right. However, Chevy also has (to my knowledge) a history of leaving dead nameplates alone as well, but they still brought back the Camaro. Somewhat of a disappointment, that one, but it gives me hope that there might one day actually be another Supra. I think it needs to happen for another reason though, and that is so that Toyota doesn't become our generation's BUICK. A new Supra would show that Toyota still cares about the enthusiast market, but I'm still on the fence. Could they recapture the magic, or has time (and more importantly, legislation) taken too much of a toll? Would a new Supra be anything that any of us would buy, as lovers and investors of the cars, care about enough to buy? I wonder...
Yeah i can't wait to take the ft-86 for a test drive.
Also the new camaro sold pretty well I see them everywhere so I'm hoping for Toyota so bad to bring the supra.
Celica now Corrola had been done bring back the ultimate Y
Toyota legend already
Also the new camaro sold pretty well I see them everywhere so I'm hoping for Toyota so bad to bring the supra.
Celica now Corrola had been done bring back the ultimate Y
Toyota legend already
I actually suspect we may see one, however it will not be anything that any of us will really want and it will likely be something that even fewer of us (if any of us) will be able to afford.
Toyota seems to be pining for the days when they produced something that was considered a "supercar". However, the problem is twofold:
#1 - The bar for what is considered a "supercar" has radically changed over the last 15 years: Everything considered a true sportscar today performs a level that was unheard of 15 years ago. More importantly, these modern cars use a plethora of high tech technology to get there. Which leads me to...
#2 - The world has changed: OBD-II emissions, safety restrictions, complex technology, hybrid technology, higher CAFE standards -- all of these things combine to make modern sports cars very heavy, complex and extremely expensive machines. Moreover, modifying a modern sports car an extremely expensive, risky, and difficult equation. When moving into the range of what manufacturers would call a "supercar" today make that doubly and triply a problem.
So I think it's possible we might see something wearing the Supra badge in the not too distant future. Nothing about it will be Supra like once you get under the skin and dig into what makes it tick. Nothing about it will be easy to modify. Nothing about it will have that "easy to mod" appeal that the MKII, MKIII and MKIV Supra had for most of us.
Succinctly put, This is not going to be an ultra reliable over-engineered inline 6 with a turbo that easily modified by shadetree mechanics to make insane amounts of power.
It will be another overly complex toy like the Lexus LFA that is far out of reach for the average guy, and it will be produced in such low numbers that the chances of anyone who isn't amongst the truly wealthy getting their hands on one is will be somewhere between "slim" and "none", even years into the future.
Would be nice to see Toyota produce something like this, but I'm not particularly looking forward to it any more than I look forward to seeing the new Ferrari models come out.
I've come to the conclusion that my MKIV is the last Supra I'll probably ever own, and my next sports car will probably be a Factory Five GTM Supercar that I built in my garage.
Toyota seems to be pining for the days when they produced something that was considered a "supercar". However, the problem is twofold:
#1 - The bar for what is considered a "supercar" has radically changed over the last 15 years: Everything considered a true sportscar today performs a level that was unheard of 15 years ago. More importantly, these modern cars use a plethora of high tech technology to get there. Which leads me to...
#2 - The world has changed: OBD-II emissions, safety restrictions, complex technology, hybrid technology, higher CAFE standards -- all of these things combine to make modern sports cars very heavy, complex and extremely expensive machines. Moreover, modifying a modern sports car an extremely expensive, risky, and difficult equation. When moving into the range of what manufacturers would call a "supercar" today make that doubly and triply a problem.
So I think it's possible we might see something wearing the Supra badge in the not too distant future. Nothing about it will be Supra like once you get under the skin and dig into what makes it tick. Nothing about it will be easy to modify. Nothing about it will have that "easy to mod" appeal that the MKII, MKIII and MKIV Supra had for most of us.
Succinctly put, This is not going to be an ultra reliable over-engineered inline 6 with a turbo that easily modified by shadetree mechanics to make insane amounts of power.
It will be another overly complex toy like the Lexus LFA that is far out of reach for the average guy, and it will be produced in such low numbers that the chances of anyone who isn't amongst the truly wealthy getting their hands on one is will be somewhere between "slim" and "none", even years into the future.
Would be nice to see Toyota produce something like this, but I'm not particularly looking forward to it any more than I look forward to seeing the new Ferrari models come out.
I've come to the conclusion that my MKIV is the last Supra I'll probably ever own, and my next sports car will probably be a Factory Five GTM Supercar that I built in my garage.
I wouldn't call it a new supra with that ridiculously high of a forecasted price tag.
And I doubt Toyota would want to risk running the Supra's name in the dirt with all the new safety regulations and emissions stuff that has popped up since then, not to mention most of their new cars and image is fun sucking people movers. Anyone remember what happened when Pontiac tried to remarket the GTO a few years back?
And I doubt Toyota would want to risk running the Supra's name in the dirt with all the new safety regulations and emissions stuff that has popped up since then, not to mention most of their new cars and image is fun sucking people movers. Anyone remember what happened when Pontiac tried to remarket the GTO a few years back?
I'd love to see an affordable, easily modded, 6-cylinder turbo w/ RWD & excellent handling resurrect the Supra nameplate. But I just don't believe it will happen, for all of the reasons already outlined here. (And if they do slap a Supra badge on something, it will likely either be far too pricey or it will fall far short of the performance I would accept from a Supra)
I was considering looking into the FT-86 (Tentatively deemed Scion FR-S) or its Subie counterpart, as the early renderings were gorgeous. But I got sidetracked & ordered a 2012 MINI Cooper S Coupé that will be arriving in a couple of weeks, and will replace my Mazdaspeed3 as my DD. I have my 1JZ for when I want speed- I want handling more than speed on my daily drive.
Gimme 3-4 years with the new Coupé, and I'm sure my automotive wanderlust will be rearing its ugly head again. I could go FT-86 at that point if the model pans out. If there is indeed a new Supra in the works by then, I'll certainly give it a fair look. Wouldn't mind having Supras as both DD and weekend warriors. (The 1JZ keeps its position as WW regardless of my choice of DD)
I was considering looking into the FT-86 (Tentatively deemed Scion FR-S) or its Subie counterpart, as the early renderings were gorgeous. But I got sidetracked & ordered a 2012 MINI Cooper S Coupé that will be arriving in a couple of weeks, and will replace my Mazdaspeed3 as my DD. I have my 1JZ for when I want speed- I want handling more than speed on my daily drive.
Gimme 3-4 years with the new Coupé, and I'm sure my automotive wanderlust will be rearing its ugly head again. I could go FT-86 at that point if the model pans out. If there is indeed a new Supra in the works by then, I'll certainly give it a fair look. Wouldn't mind having Supras as both DD and weekend warriors. (The 1JZ keeps its position as WW regardless of my choice of DD)
I've said it all before, but never really took the time to outline ALL the reasons that I hope they leave it be, let it rest in peace...Supracentral;1761213 said:
As for building a car in your garage, better get a good heater, it's cooooooooold in the garage during the winters up here. Got an engine in mind aleady?
I thought that thing was a Ponticrap badged version of the Cavalier? What's this about a GTO? Wondered why those Pontiac Cavaliers sounded so different...Canuckrz;1761224 said:
Dingoboy;1761352 said:
You know, I still think those things, at least in some of the pictures I've seen, look "pre-crashed". I'll have to see one in person to really decide what I think about them though, some things work that you don't think will initially. I totally agree though, on the 'handling before power' stance you take with your DD. That's what made the Miatas I had so much fun. Didn't have the power to get you in trouble, but was not only easy to drive and live with, but light enough that gas was rarely a concern... Kinda miss that thing actually, would have been a drastically different car by now...
This is or was the new GTO, it was actually a Holden Monaro GM imported from Australia and slapped GTO badges on. Didn't seem to be too bad of a car, they just shot themselves in the foot by calling it the GTO and marketing it as such.te72;1761369 said:
My point is if toyota was to remarket the Supra it would likely have lost most of what made it a Supra and would be a similar situation to what happened with the new GTO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Monaro
Supracentral;1761213 said:
I'm going to buy one of these FT86/FR-S and swap a motor I feel to be worthy into it. Whether that leads me to a JZ or a ZZ remains to be seen, but I won't put much more faith into Toyota beyond that.
Supras were already expensive when they were released (do an inflation calculation sometime to see what they would be in today's currency, it's scary). A new version may be up to 4x that original amount.
Look at what the GT-R became. That is the next incarnation of the Skyline GTR, yet look at all they had to do to make it compete with the current supercars. In the end, it wasn't anything close to a Skyline anymore for the most part, hence the lone 'GTR' badge. It is a 3800+lb maintenance whore of a car that even the best of tuners have to take time and lots of money to modify. IMO, the generation before me lived through the best years of what it meant to tune true sports cars.
My next car will likely be the last sports car I'll tune, not because I won't want to tune another, but because it will be damn near impossible.
toyota along with most car companys is leaning towards eco freindly cars which is bs but i guess thats where the moneys at..