Who invented the MHG, Who invented the tube type header for a turbo, who invented the aftermarket cat back, who invented the intercooler. Hardly anything made for are cars is not made by other people as well. Who cares! Lets not turn this into supraforums!
Need to Clear up a DDP Issue **PLEASE PLEASE READ**
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Gentlemen;
first off another great thanks for being brave enough to read through all that...I can't say I know too many people who would have taken the time to do so. As I'm sure you know; it was not my intention to stir crap up here...I just wanted to clear the air.
If I may I just wanted to comment on a few of the reply's:
After you spend every spare minute of your free time to build up your reputation a simple 'I didn't do it' will not suffice.
Nobody is quiting; there is a major difference between quitting and staying out of a particular part of a market due to 'time constraints'. When the time comes I will sell product to the MK3 market on my website!! I simply dont' have the time to deal with this BS...I'm sorry if I'm not wording this right. I have a different way of handling things and NEVER shoot first and ask questions later. It takes years to build a reputation but 5 mins on an open forum to ruin it...you have to appreciate the severity of the situation from my point of view. My name was dragged through the mud for days without my immediate knowledge...what if people that read those posts but never found out the truth.
Matt...I'm sorry I didn't want to drag you into this. Please understand that I don't know anyone on this forum and all I had to go on was that 1 person in that thread came out and stated who is being talked about and that person wasn't me. I hope there are no hard feelings.
Zoon and I have no relation...I have no idea who he is but I would surely like to talk to him. My research has shown on at least 1 occassion he attempted to obtain copies of my ddp too. And YES...I HAVE done my research on this one before opening my mouth!! And NO I will NOT discuss any more here...PM me if you have any concerns with this comment!!
All I'm going to say this is: show me one thread where he called out me: Karaki; George or Raptor Racing. He didn't as I read that thread 20x over; mistaken identy can ruin someone quickly so in the future before you come out a ball someone out on an open forum please understand the consequences if you're wrong. You really have no idea how fast negative publicity spreads like wildfire.
That was not my intention; not saying you're saying that...just making sure you all know. I'm Mr. Anti-Drama and if there was another way to handle this I assure you I would have done it. I had 2 very very good friend almost beat my head in just to post this here...I did not want to start any trouble but they did everything in their power to convince me it had to get done.
first off another great thanks for being brave enough to read through all that...I can't say I know too many people who would have taken the time to do so. As I'm sure you know; it was not my intention to stir crap up here...I just wanted to clear the air.
If I may I just wanted to comment on a few of the reply's:
superhero said:
After you spend every spare minute of your free time to build up your reputation a simple 'I didn't do it' will not suffice.
Nobody is quiting; there is a major difference between quitting and staying out of a particular part of a market due to 'time constraints'. When the time comes I will sell product to the MK3 market on my website!! I simply dont' have the time to deal with this BS...I'm sorry if I'm not wording this right. I have a different way of handling things and NEVER shoot first and ask questions later. It takes years to build a reputation but 5 mins on an open forum to ruin it...you have to appreciate the severity of the situation from my point of view. My name was dragged through the mud for days without my immediate knowledge...what if people that read those posts but never found out the truth.
GotToyota? said:
Matt...I'm sorry I didn't want to drag you into this. Please understand that I don't know anyone on this forum and all I had to go on was that 1 person in that thread came out and stated who is being talked about and that person wasn't me. I hope there are no hard feelings.
born2drv said:
Zoon and I have no relation...I have no idea who he is but I would surely like to talk to him. My research has shown on at least 1 occassion he attempted to obtain copies of my ddp too. And YES...I HAVE done my research on this one before opening my mouth!! And NO I will NOT discuss any more here...PM me if you have any concerns with this comment!!
Jayhall said:
All I'm going to say this is: show me one thread where he called out me: Karaki; George or Raptor Racing. He didn't as I read that thread 20x over; mistaken identy can ruin someone quickly so in the future before you come out a ball someone out on an open forum please understand the consequences if you're wrong. You really have no idea how fast negative publicity spreads like wildfire.
suprarich said:
That was not my intention; not saying you're saying that...just making sure you all know. I'm Mr. Anti-Drama and if there was another way to handle this I assure you I would have done it. I had 2 very very good friend almost beat my head in just to post this here...I did not want to start any trouble but they did everything in their power to convince me it had to get done.
I still think it's being blown out of proportion. You seem like a really cool guy with some really cool ideas. It's not like your reinventing the wheel. We all know that parts get copied and different ideas are added to make it their own, but they all start from basically the same product. Like Suprarich said, there are numerous people making headgaskets, body kits, hoods, all kinds of things that started from something very similar. Hopefully you'll get it all settled and give the rest of the MKIII community a chance, and not hold us responsible for something that one person said. I know you would have alot of support if you were making great products at affordable prices.....................lol
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
ill tell him what i said to him in a pm
thank you for stepping up and making a product for us.
it should be simple as that.
thank you for stepping up and making a product for us.
it should be simple as that.
EVERYTHING has been done before......
Can't say I've seen an original idea in the automotive world for may many years it's just now with modern technology/materials things can be made at an attainable price for the average guy.
George Welcome to SM and please don't be put off we have a pretty good bunch here!
Can't say I've seen an original idea in the automotive world for may many years it's just now with modern technology/materials things can be made at an attainable price for the average guy.
George Welcome to SM and please don't be put off we have a pretty good bunch here!
Kyle87T said:
you speak like youve been following every post ive ever made. I didnt think before i made a post, big whoop. also, why am i luckey i deleted my own post?It was aggressive and a personal attack, try to keep this thread productive, not destructive, play nice... R/M
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And this is the very reason why I decided to hold off on any of my opinions in that previous thread, "I smell a lawsuit".
I completely understand where a majority of the members on here are coming from when they are just trying to support and be sure to provide their best to Randy (BIC) as he has done a lot for our community...HOWEVER, there are always two sides to every story...This one side, being one that I was hoping and waiting to pop up.
I'm very glad that you, (George, is it?) decided to man up for both your personal reasons and to prove wrong to others in showing that you ARE a dedicated Supra commuter and have no intentions on bashing or ripping anyone off. I wish the best of luck to you and you business.
As stated by many others, this is a business. Competition is the name of the game...but there are always ways to work around the rough spots and ultimately, everyone will hopefully be happy in the end.
My .02
Jeff
I completely understand where a majority of the members on here are coming from when they are just trying to support and be sure to provide their best to Randy (BIC) as he has done a lot for our community...HOWEVER, there are always two sides to every story...This one side, being one that I was hoping and waiting to pop up.
I'm very glad that you, (George, is it?) decided to man up for both your personal reasons and to prove wrong to others in showing that you ARE a dedicated Supra commuter and have no intentions on bashing or ripping anyone off. I wish the best of luck to you and you business.
As stated by many others, this is a business. Competition is the name of the game...but there are always ways to work around the rough spots and ultimately, everyone will hopefully be happy in the end.
My .02
Jeff
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
JustAnotherVictim said:
Holly frick'n crap buddy give it up man...do you see anyone here asking you your opinion on the frick'n flex section in this thread. WTF does that have to do with anything in this post...like seriously????? Did I bring you up at all for critisizing the pipe?? Me Me Me Me...it's gotta stop!!
See...this is the shit I'm talking about. But be rest assured...95% of you guys who have replied in this thread have reassured me that this is a stand up kinda forum...one which I would be honoured to be a part of. I do apologize for misjudging "most" of you...seems like I've learned a big lesson here myself. I do appreciate all the praise; support and advice you all have given me...but for the love of GOD can we not just keep this on topic??
**venting mode off**
PS...yes it is George...
i knew it was you! god damn guy no one better bag on him, we'll get the whole t.o crew after you. He's done enough for the supra club and now is not the time to start shit
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
I can say what I want.
Get over it.
My opinion is mine you can cry all you want doesn't change my mind.
If you noticed I didn't say anything other than that in the other thread.
Did I attack your ethics? Nope.
Did I call you a thief? Nope.
What's your big problem then?
It is on topic you called out pretty much anyone who posted in the thread.
Get over it.
My opinion is mine you can cry all you want doesn't change my mind.
If you noticed I didn't say anything other than that in the other thread.
Did I attack your ethics? Nope.
Did I call you a thief? Nope.
What's your big problem then?
It is on topic you called out pretty much anyone who posted in the thread.
George, again, i am sorry, said it before and ill say it again. I made a mistake. I just hope you can acknowledge the fact that really am sorry, and if there is anything i can do to make it right, please let me know, and ill be more than will to do so
supramania is a great forum, with great guys/gals who even bother to except us non-mk3 types.
George is a great guy, mk2 and mk3 owner, who dedicates a lot of his life to the Supra community instead of indulging on coffee ice cream like he'd want to :icon_razz
Everything will be fine I'm sure
JustAnotherVictim, try turning down your testosterone levels a couple notches, and realize he just wants to keep the thread on topic and is under a lot of stress over this issue.
Everyone take a breath mmmmmmmmmk?
George is a great guy, mk2 and mk3 owner, who dedicates a lot of his life to the Supra community instead of indulging on coffee ice cream like he'd want to :icon_razz
Everything will be fine I'm sure
JustAnotherVictim, try turning down your testosterone levels a couple notches, and realize he just wants to keep the thread on topic and is under a lot of stress over this issue.
Everyone take a breath mmmmmmmmmk?
George......Welcome to Supramania! You came here as a MAN, and have gained much respect by doing so. Stick around, make parts for our cars, and you will do well with it. Stick around, don't make parts for our cars, and we will accept you just as you are. It's a great forum, with the most family attitude I have ever seen in a site. JAV is a great guy (we love him), but it seems either he really wants to back Randy on this, or really doesn't like the DDP that Zoon is selling (I don't know).
But stick around man.......there's a great amount of knowlege on this site, without the hassle of SM (Militant moderation, and 20% supra ownership amongst it's members). You've got 2 nice looking Supras BTW. Hope to see you around.
But stick around man.......there's a great amount of knowlege on this site, without the hassle of SM (Militant moderation, and 20% supra ownership amongst it's members). You've got 2 nice looking Supras BTW. Hope to see you around.
not sure if youre tryign to be a dick or not but i think if you just supported him insteadf it would suffice.Jayhall said:
I think I said uh oh and said pay Jeff then someitnh about quality.
On the last note I was told and did not give second thought about manufacturing and I appologize.
Ive seen BIC DDP's in person so I can attest to quality. I hope to see one of yours in soon! =D
On the last note I was told and did not give second thought about manufacturing and I appologize.
Ive seen BIC DDP's in person so I can attest to quality. I hope to see one of yours in soon! =D
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