My poor baby needs work...

[Demianu27]

(87 turbo)

~An oil leak coming from the front of the engine
~Started having problems with the brake system and the antilock warning light comes on

So I took it to the local dealer and here's what they had to say;

1. Rear wheel speed sensor........................ $350
2. Timing belt with cam and crank seal........ $510
3. Valve cover gasket................................. $465
4. 60K mile service.................................... $560

holy crap :1zhelp:

I can't afford this work to be done right now, looks like it needs to be parked in the garage until I'm out of college in 3 years.

 

[peachtits]

Thats no suprise going to a dealer. If you have the time i would say read up the manual and try to do some stuff yourself. Especially the little stuff. Saves alot of money.

But sorry to hear all that shit went wrong.. good luck with all the problems

 

[GrimJack]

Holy crap... MY ass hurts reading that, and it's not even my car.

1. Scrap that. Even if the antilock brakes act up, should just disable the antilock portion. Drive carefully.
2. Do it yourself. Crank seal = $11.02 (part number 90311-52003), Cam seals = $1.76 (part number 90311-35008) each, Timing belt = $19.32 (part number 13568-42010). You need some basic tools, the actual process is easy and can be done in a couple hours.
3. OUCH! The parts for this are cheap, and it can be done in under an hour. Gaskets are part number 11213-42020, they are $10.15 each from Jay Marks Toyota.
4. The WHAT? Tell 'em to shove it in some other poor bastard, you're done with the dealer's ridiculous shit. They are going to change the fluids, filters, put in new plugs, and tell you that you need new brake rotors for another $1000. I'll do the same thing for $75, but you have to drive here.

So you are now looking at $54.16 and a day of work. Take the other $1830.00 and throw it into the retirement fund.

 

[walka]

i cant believe its 465 for the valve cover gasket...thats more than my head rebuild cost me

 

[Satan]

Listen to Grimjack and get some Supra-buddies/friends nearby.

You can't own an MKIII without knowing how to do this yourself (or having alot of disposable cash available).

1. Get a rear speed sensor from the for sale section. Dunno if there's a difference in auto or 5-speed... takes less than 10 minutes to change.
2. Took me about 90 minutes in a carwash parking lot (lived in apts back then). It's NOT that difficult.
3. Are you FAWKING kidding me...!?!? Way to easy (change your plugs while you are at it).
4. I've got a good pair of rotors (I'll have to check if they're for the back, or front), that you can have. While you're changing these, replacethem brakepads for another ~$20.

Really tho.... unless your car is under warranty, never, ever, never, ever trust the damn dealer. I could buy 2 87Ts for that price.... Ummm I mean, I have bought an 87T and a 90T for about that.

 

[Demianu27]

I'm so glad I posted this. You all are so very helpfull.

I would like to write up a parts list of everything I might need to fix all the things the dealer noted, so If anyone can write one up I would be much appreciated.

#1. How do I disable the antilock portion of my brakes?
#2. Thanks GrimJack for the parts info, but I noticed you said Cam seals, so how many do I need?
#3. Since I'm going to be working with gaskets and seals, it sounds like I'm going to need some sort of lube or sealent. What do I need?

Really, I just want to know everything I need to fix the problems I had originally posted. What parts/tools do I need to fix the cam seal, crank seals, timing belt, and the valve cover gasket? Are there any write-ups online about fixing these things? I have a chilten manual for my car that probably has these things in it, but I feel you all know better

 

[Fuzz420]

i cant believe its 465 for the valve cover gasket...thats more than my head rebuild cost me

I about shit my pants reading that one.Toyota should be ashamed of themselves for charging that much.I mean i can go to autozone and buy valve cover gaskets for 20 bucks and have a friend install them in an afternoon for penny's on the dollar,and they want just under 500 :3d_frown:

 

[empera]

if ur close enuff, i could help u with some of that.

 

[supraman7mgte]

just think,if the Thelman wire was corroded,you'd have to replace the engine!!! (MAD magazine)

 

[GrimJack]

You need two cam seals and two valve cover gaskets. You'll also need some blue permatex sealant - this is glue, comes in a tube and is available at just about any parts store.

As for tools, if you have 8mm, 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm & 19mm wrenches and sockets, a spark plug socket, a 3/8" ratchet, a short extension and a long extension, a pair of pliers for the old hose clamps, and a screwdriver for the new hose clamps, you are pretty much set for our car.

If you add a couple larger wrenches & sockets, a set of 1/2" drive sockets, ratchet, and a bunch more extensions, a couple hex head sockets (I forget the sizes, but you only need two) plus some ratcheting swivel wrenches in 10, 12, & 14mm sizes, you are good to tear the engine out and completely apart.

Add in a pair of torque wrenches in 3/8" and 1/2" drive sizes and you are good to put it all back together again.

From there all you need is specialized tools to be better equipped than your toyota dealer - seal pick, ring compressor, micrometer, multimeter, this kind of thing.

 

[mazzer]

i cant believe its 465 for the valve cover gasket...thats more than my head rebuild cost me

+1... and i got full radius grinds,baked and port matching.lol

 

[suprarcr89]

thats the reason i do all the work on my supra myself for one i know whats been done to the car, two i know its done right and three no shops to rip me off....

i did a full engine rebuild with metal headgasket, new rings, bearings, gaskets/seals, rebuilt head and he was only out about 1,200 on parts and machine work. if you can get rid of the labor cost owning a sports car becomes alot cheaper to maintain...

all of your work that you need done is no problem also for reference you can look up the online tsrm and it will guide you through anything you need to do to the car...

-Ken

 

[steve_mk3]

Time to start reading

http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/library/TSRM/index.html

The people here can help you out a great deal, good luck with the repairs.

An added beneifit, a sense of accomplishment!

 

[Demianu27]

that site is exactly what i'm looking for. thanks!

now... time to do some more advanced maintance than oil changes and hardpipes!

 

[Demianu27]

"2. Do it yourself. Crank seal = $11.02 (part number 90311-52003), Cam seals = $1.76 (part number 90311-35008) each, Timing belt = $19.32 (part number 13568-42010)."

Are those prices that I might find at carquest and strauss, or are those prices that the toyota dealers set?

 

[GrimJack]

These are the prices from Champion Toyota, who happens to post their prices on the 'net, and gives everyone the discount that you can only get at your local Toyota dealership is you spend thousands there.

This is their toll free number: 800-327-2087.

They are very used to people like us calling up with specific part numbers and asking for the parts to be shipped.

 

[Demianu27]

ok well i just went to carquest and told them everything i needed (cam seals, crank seal, valve cover gaskets, and timing belt)...

everything turned out to be around $140.

 

[Mr.PFloyd]

ok well i just went to carquest and told them everything i needed (cam seals, crank seal, valve cover gaskets, and timing belt)...

everything turned out to be around $140.

heh better then 2000 hahah. yeah these guys on here rock. since they helped me, i will always be helpful to another mk3 owner. i don't know everythign yet but its a learning process. hell, if anyone needs a place to rest the night while up in Ontario, you're always welcomed at my place

 

[Satan]

I'm glad you got what you needed.... I was about to send you what I had left from my headset... valve cover gaskets, cams seals, new front main seal, etc.

Anyways, let us know if you need help on anything. There's bound to be another enthusiast near U. For years, I have been meaning to make more tech-tip write ups, like we used to have on Supras.com about 5 years ago....

I'm just about complete with my MKIII, but I will be glad to re-do things, if we can divvy-up the work and make a how-to database.. maybe with video, tools need, partnumbers, time to allocate, etc....

Demianu27... be sure to take lots of pics along the way. We can use 'em to do write-ups, or to help you if you get stuck.

 

[Demianu27]

that picture idea sounds good, but where should i post them along with my process?