Modifications for 2JZGTE Swap?

[Dylan JZ]

Wow, congratulations? Dude you don't need to be a douche... it was his first engine swap. I thought he did pretty damn good.

If I was being a douche you'd certainly know it, all in good fun.. I was just making a point thats all man.

 

[87mgte]

If I was being a douche you'd certainly know it, all in good fun.. I was just making a point thats all man.

Well you're a little more sarcastic than I realized, sorry. I'm a sarcastic asshat too ,but I try to be kinda serious/formal on the forums cause no one can really detect sarcasm from typing haha. Didn't mean to over react, brother.

 

[Dylan JZ]

Well you're a little more sarcastic than I realized, sorry. I'm a sarcastic asshat too ,but I try to be kinda serious/formal on the forums cause no one can really detect sarcasm from typing haha. Didn't mean to over react, brother.

no worries, this thread sure went to hell.. cant help but not feel bad for the OP though, research is everything. I've grown to the point of loving it, I was on these boards every night after class or work for months before finally starting my 1jz project and I had maybe 5-10 minor questions after that, that were left vague in all the material I had read up to that point.

case in point, I think the biggest respect to the old fellas on here, okay let me re-phrase that.. the "more-experienced" guys on here is to simply read their work and afterwards ask questions and honestly ive made a few friends that way.

this guy could have had some fun and learned a lot had he been more open minded and better informed.

 

[foreverpsycotic]

Swapping a complex SYSTEM like a 2jgte into anything is a big ask if you want to do it right and have EVERYTHING work, most swaps end up as Cletus botch jobs with things deleted after they can't be made work and the justification of "It saves weight or I never use that anyway"......

Some people don't use cruise control or air conditioning, like me. Why install something that you will never use?

To the OP, it took me a few weekends to get my swap done, and I had a motor that came in an a70, without the need for a lot of wiring or body modifications.

 

[IJ.]

Because it adds value to the car?

Makes the car nicer to drive?

You don't use it because you don't have it, if it were in the car you would and wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[tlo86]

Because it adds value to the car?

Makes the car nicer to drive?

You don't use it because you don't have it, if it were in the car you would and wouldn't think twice about it.

true! minus cruise control... i actually dont like it but im making it work for my current swap into the sc300

 

[foreverpsycotic]

Because it adds value to the car?

Makes the car nicer to drive?

You don't use it because you don't have it, if it were in the car you would and wouldn't think twice about it.

I could care less about the value of my car, I will get lowballed on the price regardless. If I was going to build a car for value, it damn sure wouldn't be a MKIII supra (more along the lines of a late 60s muscle/pony car).

I have both AC and CC in my DD, never touch them. They were in the car, they both worked and I removed them when I went to the 1jz, because I never used them, and felt it a waste of my time to wire them up.

 

[tissimo]

Because it adds value to the car?

Makes the car nicer to drive?

You don't use it because you don't have it, if it were in the car you would and wouldn't think twice about it.

+1

A/c is easy to get working, the cruise control is a bit harder. You'll have to get a custom cable for it, or figure a way to swap the 2jz cable over somehow. I never looked into it to much, I sold my car before I wanted put it back in.

 

[tlo86]

+1

A/c is easy to get working, the cruise control is a bit harder. You'll have to get a custom cable for it, or figure a way to swap the 2jz cable over somehow. I never looked into it to much, I sold my car before I wanted put it back in.

bicycle repair shop FTW. or garage door :biglaugh:

i didn't realize so many used cruise control, i used it once and i didnt like it

 

[tissimo]

I only used it on highway trips.. its nice to just relax your feet.. the trip to texas was nice with it

 

[Supracentral]

Cut the chatter folks. If the OP still wants help, and wants to ask sane questions, let's get back on topic.

 

[tlo86]

I have compiled a list of everything that I have purchased in order to swap a 2JZGTE into my 88 mkiii with a 7MGTE and R-154. I have seen threads like this, but most of them are unorganized and there is info all over the place. I have decided to make one that is well organized, since I was having a little bit of trouble finding everything needed in order to complete this swap.

I will eventually update it to the point that part numbers, places to buy, and prices will be included. (maybe even pictures)

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE POSTING A QUESTION!

If the mods feel that this is redundant and decide to delete it, then ok, but I
think that this thread can be a valuable tool to everyone.

All info here is what I have learned through reading and asking others who have done the swap before. If anyone notices wrong info, please let me know right away and it will be fixed ASAP.

The firewall will need to be "beaten" back anywhere from 1/2" to 1 1/2" from what I have heard/read in order to keep the stock twins. I am going single, so i have not researched much into this subject.

All part numbers are courtesy of Curt at Elmhurst Toyota and my uncle who used to work at Hudson Toyota.

Here are some links that may also be of some help:
Keeping A/C and Power Steering:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66700

Where to buy a motor:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66744

Dealing with the harness:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65536

Well, here is what I have so far.

-Motor - $2200 from jdmenginedepot.com
(it comes with uncut wiring harness, ecu, and ignitor. I was unaware so I purchased an ignitor)

-Wiring Harness - ~$490 Sent to Dr Tweak to mate the one from the 7M and the one from the 2J

-J- Spec ECU - comes with motor but can be found in the classifieds. For the J-Spec ECU, m/t and a/t do not matter (from what I was told by Nick Stonawski)

-1J Bellhousing - $350 from Driftmotion.com

-1J Ignitor - $130 Driftmotion.com (comes with motor, but if the motor you order does not come with one, you can get one new)

-2J Engine Swap Brackets- $175 from Driftmotion.com (There are 2 different sets, 86-early 89 and late 89- 92)
This info was be found here under the 1989 category: http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58

-2J Throttle Cable- $65 from Driftmotion.com

-1J lightweight flywheel - $270 from Driftmotion.com
this link may be of some help: http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65797

-1J ARP flywheel bolts - $32 from Driftmotion.com

-Intercooler - $180 from Driftmotion.com (cheaper on ebay )

-1J oil pressure sender adapter – $20 from Driftmotion.com

-Pulley Set- $50 from Driftmotion.com
The reason for buying the pulley set is because the Aristos run a Hydrofan set-up and when you get rid of that and use a USDM water pump, the pulley is not the same. It is actually a bit smaller.

-Greddy BCC- $88 from titanmotorsports.com

- Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump w/ Install Kit- $131.17 from horsepowerfreaks.com

-Upper and Lower Oil pans w/ required bolts – From Elmhurst Toyota
12111-46052 Pan Upper List 358.79 Cost 273.94 X 1
12102-46031 Pan Lower 127.81 Cost 97.59 X 1
90430-12031 Drain Plug Gasket List .98 Cost .73 X 1
90341-12012 Drain Plug List 3.66 Cost 2.71 X 1
96721-24031 O Ring List 2.54 Cost 1.88 X 1
91512-b1055 Bolt List 1.18 Cost .87 X 6
91511-j0820 Bolt List .71 Cost .53 X 16
90116-06127 Stud List .71 Cost .53 X 4
90119-06624 Bolt List .80 Cost .59 X 23
90182-06257 Nut List .49 Cost .36 X 2
00295-00103 Fipg Pan Sealer List 12.78 Cost 9.36 X 2

-Oil pan baffle – 12121-46030 List 13.83 Cost 10.57 from Elmhurst Toyota

-Oil Pickup tube w/ gasket & bolts - from Elmhurst Toyota
15104-46030 List 48.93 Cost 37.36
90182-06005 Nut List .55 Cost .41 X 2
91621-60612 Bolt List .60 Cost .44 X 1
15147-ad010 Gasket List 2.40 Cost 1.77 X 1

-Water Pump w/ gasket- 16100-49846 List 161.70 Cost 123.46 from Elmhurst Toyota

-Timing Belt – 13568-49036 List 32.94 Cost 25.15 from Elmhurst Toyota

-Hydraulic Tensioner – 13540-46030 List 68.53 Cost 52.32 from Elmhurst Toyota

-Cam Shaft Seals – 90311-40020 List 6.80 Cost 5.19 Each (2 are needed) from Elmhurst Toyota

-Valve Cover Seals –
11213-46020 Gasket, List 13.69 Cost 10.45
11214-46011 Gasket, List 13.69 Cost 10.45 from Elmhurst Toyota

-MKIV Power Steering Reservoir- from Toyota
The MKIV one is not necessary, but I think it looks a lot better.

-Serpentine Belt- from Toyota

- Valve Cover Bolt washers- if needed (thanks tlo86) 90210-07001 X 16 $26.40

- Thermostat w/ Gasket - from Toyota

- Intercooler w/ custom piping-

depending on what transmission you are using...

from a 2jzgte auto (they are different than ours) you will need what appears to be an mkiv driveshaft and have it made at a local driveshaft shop...

getgrag v160 mkiv 6 speed - speculation as to if it will physically fit into the tunnel (i have seen mkivs, especially n/a that needed to be modded) and speculation about how well it will work with our differentials... and the driveshaft will be a hybrid unit. needless to say it is not worth the money..you are better off with a built automatic transmission or a r154 and a great clutch as they will be cheaper

W58 you will need a manual MKIII 1986.5-1992 n/a supras driveshaft. yes believe it or not its the same size.... and a 2jzge manual bellhousing. easiest place to find is off a manual sc300 that i have seen or buying a new one. plenty of clutches out there for the non turbo mkiv supra...

R154 you will need an r154 driveshaft from a manual turbo mkiii supra 1987-1992.... yup it is a direct fit my car is proof... you will need a 1jz bellhousing everything after that is a 7mgte clutch deal.

a340e from our cars... if your supra was auto and you dont want to deal with the 2jzgte's auto or your 2jz didnt come with a transmission you will need a auto sc300 bellhousing (or the many other 2jzge auto bellhousings) and the driveshaft will be the same from the mkiii supra 1986.5-1992 AUTO driveshaft. a340 from a 2jzge might be a better choice its a slide in type as well (not sure on abs location on these transmissions though)

remember the newer cars did not have an ABS sensor on the transmission but rather had it on the rear wheels themselves. (not sure about the non turbo engines but its not as big of a deal as you can put the sensor on them easy enough or use a transmission with it as n/a trannys are cheaper)

if your car is Pre 1989 you will need the BIC brackets the 1jz ones will not work.. on post 89 cars you can either buy the bic or use 1jz ones. the round mounts are all the same (and you can get them from most cars such as the sc300, 89+ mkiiisupra, etc) and the square mounts i would buy the poly ones from BIC.

as for the mounting location they will be different comapred to the 2jz aristos location but its not hard to figure it out (especially if you have BIC brackets) the bolt locations are the exact same as the 1jz...

If you cant figure something out, look at the 1jz thats what i always say.

the 1jz brackets will work with supras 89+ not pre 89 unless you swap the crossmember to a 89+ because of the square and round mount difference. thats where the BIC mounts come in handy because you dont need to swap the crossmember... i opted to get the BIC ones because i could get them faster than if i was trying to source 1jz ones because at the time noone was selling them

so after these what do they mean? the fundamentals of a swap!!!

VVTI vs non vvti http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65382
oil http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63489



whats in your car right now:

you obviously know a car with a JZ engine is already easier to swap in so i will tackle the hardest part first. you need wiring.

now this is where you goto someone with harness experience (military, performance automotive, electrical engineer) or simply Dr tweak who charges around 500$for the jz engine (non vvti) and can source all the plugs you need (and usually the JZ swaps miss that third connector to the ECU)

or do it yourself http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83

sourcing the 2jz was in a post by eman, i would advise against a getrag but whatever your swap your problem i would rather have a built auto

physical fit. now not every engine bay is the same. but if you are going to swap it into a car with a jz engine this is where it makes it a lot easier than lets say a jz swap into a mkiii supra. you know it will physically fit minus the areas with the intake manifold and exhaust portion. for the mkiii supra you need to hammer back the firewall a bit and move the abs lines IF you want to keep the stock turbos, its easily said that a manifold for a GTE engine will clear almost any car (i have plenty of room for example with my cast manifold from turbonetics)

this is where owning a previous oil pan in your car comes in handy, the pan on the aristo (the cheapest and argueably the most unmodded engines coming from japan) is a front sump, and you need whatever sump fits on your car. reuse your old upper and lower pans from the JZ engine in your car... this is easy but you can also easily fuck it up if you do not read the TSRM on how to do it. (which i provide in my signature) globbing a shitload of silicone is not the best solution, neither is leaving all of the old stuff on as it will leak and buy new smaller bolts the old ones can/will snap the heads off if you actually torque it like you should be doing :icon_surp

for the turbo setup working with your non turbo pan.... http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68044
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63847 again more pan

really easy to do.

everything exhaust can be solved at an exhaust shop ( all of my exhaust needs were done at 70$ including the vband straight to my cat and dumptube on my wastegate.

twin turbo setup: the hardest thing i have found when dealing with this is the VSV's can come to you broken... gotta source new ones! luckily enough on my sc300 swap i had two sets of twins with VSV's to make the SC300's twin turbos work, you might nto be so lucky (or in my case, the SC300 being lucky)

brackets, use your JZ ones, if its an mkiii reread my quotes.

Transmission, i would suggest reusing your OEM transmission unless its an mkiii.. mkiii i found it easiest to use the r154 or auto from a 2JZGE but this si explained above.

driveshaft: depends on transmission as stated above.

power steering, luckily enough all jz engines came with it and unlike a honda, you can still keep it if you turbocharge your car :biglaugh: the pumps are the same and in same location so i would suggest keeping the stock setup but the basics are: there is a high pressure line on the pump to the rack, the rack has an outlet that is supposed to goto a cooler in turn the cooler goes to the P/S resovoir and the resovoir feeds the pump again. what a cycle! no mods unless you are throwing in an mkiii which i have made numerous posts about... you use an MKIV p/s line from any auto store (usually 50$) make your own cooler lines and either reuse stock cooler or buy an aftermarket either way you should really have a cooler.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66448
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65928 resovoir
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56417 another thread
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63053 another older thread

throttle cable: http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57044
might get away with using your old TC depending on car... i used mkiv Tt on my car.

Cooling. also http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68254
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66654 radiator hoses

OEM radiator should work fine.
water pump, there is a rumor going that you need the "rear housing" although you do need it, its insinuating that the one from toyota doesn't come with it when it does.... 120$ (toyotapartscheap.com (mossy) champtiontoyota.com (champion)) this is IF YOU GET THE ENGINE FROM AN ARISTO WHICH COMES WITH A HYDRAULIC FAN SETUP. this deals directly with the 2JZGTE i am unsure about the 1JZGTE

you need a MKIV TT water pump( n/a water necks were intended to go through where the timing belt sits and its obvious why that doesnt work.) also replace O rings on the water pump bypass pipe on top of the pump... they tend to leak and this is when its easiest to change. you will need a pulley for an mkiv supra, either 40$ from toyota or buy the 3 aluminum pulleys from driftmotion for 10$ more.. also change the gasket to the block from the waterneck and you really should change the thermostat and seal as this is on the list of "things not to trust on your engiens from japan" next to, cam seals, crank seals, oil pan sealing, oil pump sealing, cam seals, bolt washer seals on cam cover, timing belt, serpentine belt, test the starter and alternator after taking them off it takes 5 minutes... always check the tensioners because you dont want one failing on you like it has with other members. they are easy to rebuild you unbolt it and replace the bearing inside for 10$ instead of buying a new one

as for a cooling fan (yes you really should have one) i say if you want to do it cheap get a fan clutch from ANY JZ engine at a junkyard, or buy a new one for around 130$ and a turbo fan for 90$. i have seen the n/a fan fit on a JZ engine and i dont like the idea of using spacers i have seen the fans blow up from this ghetto rigging.

if you want to keep the hydro fan i suggest searching, as i didnt go this route i didnt look into it.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61153&highlight=hydraulic
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60607&highlight=hydraulic
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54726&highlight=hydraulic
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52185&highlight=hydraulic

if you want electric fans you should not go cheap. i like to quote MVPmotorsport.com's figures(keep in mind they are selling their products" http://www.mvpmotorsports.com/Templates/frmTemplateM7.asp?SubFolderID=201&SearchYN=N

the clutch fan flows 3,300CFM (cubic feet a minute) Flexalite (cheap) fans flow around 1,100 and the (insert more expensive fan kit here) flows 3,400 CFM. i've never liked the sound of electric fans running ,especially higher powered ones so this is up to you. my guess is the hydro fan flows more than clutch fan.

crusie control, some argue they dont need it some argue they do ( :biglaugh: ) either way this is up to you and as i stated a bicycle repair shop (thanks IJ) or garage door place should be able to make it work by altering the line. and mention it when wiring is getting done.

A/C if you have a JZ engine you just need to take off the compressor (NOT LINES) on your jz engine when taking it out and put it on after the engine is in the car or during. mkiii is a little harder as you can swap the tops and grind down the p/s pump
or http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66700


Fuel: you should upgrade either to a MKIV TT fuel pump or a wal*blow* 255 everything else bolts in.

getting your horns to work, un-related dont ask.

your brake lights dont work anymore, un-related to your swap (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65723&highlight=reverse+lights). now if your reverse lights do not work this has to do with wiring to your transmission.

Traction Control: if your car had it originally and you still want it mention it when getting your wiring done.

Alternator, yes this is part of the swap, if you have a JZ engine you do not need to worry about it unless your car has the square style plug and the car comes with a round plug, if you didnt have charging problems swap out the alternators everything else should be plug and play. all the mounting is the same.
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65823&highlight=alternator plugs
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67243&highlight=alternator that big fat wire


http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65480 flyhweel bolts
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65284 clutch
http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64677 flywheel

I want to swap a 2jzgte eng kit into my mk3 1992 supra. Would I need to modify anything at all to put it in. I have enough money to sell the supra and buy a diff car too so tell me what you think..

in other words plug and play...:biglaugh::biglaugh: PM me for info this forum has hundreds of the same threads already (notice i pasted quotes from stickies you should've read)