junk yard mods??
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Get a dash pocket out of a late 80's model camry or corolla (probably more) to fill the space in your dash when you get a new headunit.
supramic said:
if it was cheap i'd consider it. i dont have the money or the want to plunk down 100 dollars on some esthetic appeal... BHG is going to const several hundred and i dont have a job yet. lol...but yeah i'd like one. if it were a great deal.. even if it had a shoddy finish and some knicks i'd sand it, clean it up and paint it... that'd be cool :biglaugh: why, got one? hehe.
suprageezer said:
Not bad. I'm holding out for a 3000GT wing... not the three piece. I think it'd fit very well.
from what i know of is
lex afm
lex thottle body
q45 thottle body
rx7 2ned gen injectors 88 only i think
rx7 3rd gen wheels
niassn wheel 85? to last year
ford trus elletrica fan
dsm slstic fan
any fan form car that si big
intercooler galor
and may other thigns
ps i work at a yard and look this shit up allt eh time
lex afm
lex thottle body
q45 thottle body
rx7 2ned gen injectors 88 only i think
rx7 3rd gen wheels
niassn wheel 85? to last year
ford trus elletrica fan
dsm slstic fan
any fan form car that si big
intercooler galor
and may other thigns
ps i work at a yard and look this shit up allt eh time
More Firebird Wing Pics. I kinda like the color matching the trim and wheels myself. Rustoleum hammered black was a close match. Maybe someday i'll see what it looks like white, but thats after I pick up 4 17" X 8" mustang star rims and have them polished.
Rick
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JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
Ya it's functional aerodynamic shape does leave alot to be desired comapred to the fat unaerodynamic shape of the stock wing. Guess it's all about downforce which the stocker can creat about zip. Check out the cross section of the stock wing and you will see there is no aero shape to it. So I kinda like a wing that was actually designed to create a little downforce. Ya never know when your gonna need it.
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Rick
Only a dead fish floats with the current
Rick
suprageezer said:
I thought one or both of the stock wings reduced drag coefficient, rather than provide any significant downforce.
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JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
well at high speeds don't cars generate lift? like any other asymetrical shape through the air, there will be a low pressure area just behind the top of the car where it slopes down because the air approching the front of the car is compressed into the air above the car and then released back down again once the top of the car passes. once that happens the low pressure area just above the hatch will cause the car to lift. a real spoiler will compinsate for that and make the car a bit more stable at high speeds...my guess is speeds above 60-100mph is where it will become noticible.
take the 3000gt for example. mitsubishi went out of their way to have electronically activated areo that would activate above 30mph (or was it 60?) and if a car that heavy can benifit...i bet ours can. without a spoiler you probably wont loose control but i bet you could feel a difference going that fast with some extra pounds pushing down
take the 3000gt for example. mitsubishi went out of their way to have electronically activated areo that would activate above 30mph (or was it 60?) and if a car that heavy can benifit...i bet ours can. without a spoiler you probably wont loose control but i bet you could feel a difference going that fast with some extra pounds pushing down
JustAnotherVictim
Supramania Contributor
You will feel a difference but what he's saying is the stock spoiler doesn't do anything. You don't need a tremendous amount of downforce to keep this car on the ground. Spoilers aren't the only part of a car that affects downforce either. For the 3000gt it was probably at 60mph, having it up at 30mph wouldn't really do anything.
Adjuster
Supramania Contributor
My first reaction to the Firebird wing on the Supra was "Kit, hit the turbo boost now!" and 80's big hair, but then after looking it over some more, I can see where your headed with this.
The claim then was that spoiler made the Firebird have a better .cd. (Helps to smooth the air as it exits the upper rear edge of the car, reducing drag.) So it's less about downforce, and more about lowering the .cd.
The best wing besides the stocker from my 88T is the CF one done by the guy in Sweeden. He had it mounted off the rear of the decklid, and hanging out over the rear bumper quite a bit. It also was not up more than the stock wing, so it did not look like hidous crap like most pillar mounted high wings.
Best downforce mods you can do is a smooth splitter/air dam that extends under the front of the car to the engine crossmember. (And sticks out about to the distance of the stock bumper.) A smooth undertray with dimples in it, like a golf ball, then a subtle reverse 1" high spoiler off that to flick the air down away from the underside to clear the rear diff and suspension, then another smooth set of panels and a reverse venturi to acclerate the air as it's let go from underneath the rear bumper, and some subtle skirts on the sides to limit air pouring in from the sides.
You end up creating a low pressure area under the car, and a large one just behind the car this way. It holds the car down to the ground better than just wings on top. (The rear wing extending out helps with this low pressure area too.)
A reverse vented hood would help lower the air pressure under the car. Deeper side skirts do the same. (Keep air from spilling back under the car at the rockers.)
So, basicly a race car... LOL For the street, much of this would be curb fodder quickly, so it's not really very sensable. I do see that many of the new cars have these dimpled under panels however, and it's helping with fuel economy and stability at highway speeds.
The claim then was that spoiler made the Firebird have a better .cd. (Helps to smooth the air as it exits the upper rear edge of the car, reducing drag.) So it's less about downforce, and more about lowering the .cd.
The best wing besides the stocker from my 88T is the CF one done by the guy in Sweeden. He had it mounted off the rear of the decklid, and hanging out over the rear bumper quite a bit. It also was not up more than the stock wing, so it did not look like hidous crap like most pillar mounted high wings.
Best downforce mods you can do is a smooth splitter/air dam that extends under the front of the car to the engine crossmember. (And sticks out about to the distance of the stock bumper.) A smooth undertray with dimples in it, like a golf ball, then a subtle reverse 1" high spoiler off that to flick the air down away from the underside to clear the rear diff and suspension, then another smooth set of panels and a reverse venturi to acclerate the air as it's let go from underneath the rear bumper, and some subtle skirts on the sides to limit air pouring in from the sides.
You end up creating a low pressure area under the car, and a large one just behind the car this way. It holds the car down to the ground better than just wings on top. (The rear wing extending out helps with this low pressure area too.)
A reverse vented hood would help lower the air pressure under the car. Deeper side skirts do the same. (Keep air from spilling back under the car at the rockers.)
So, basicly a race car... LOL For the street, much of this would be curb fodder quickly, so it's not really very sensable. I do see that many of the new cars have these dimpled under panels however, and it's helping with fuel economy and stability at highway speeds.
I’d say any car that isn't 50/50 in weight distribution and has a lighter rear end such as ours can use a little down force now and then. Take my old 68 charger, they thought they had an awesome aero body but it turned out the rear pillars leading down onto the trunk deck instead of creating down force and a low CoD they created a tremendous amount of lift on the rear end at relatively low speeds on the track. The open nose created even more lift so the combination of both areas of lift front and rear made the car almost seem to want to take off. They cured this by the now famous winged warrior, the Superbirds, and Daytona’s. Most cars have rear lift issues at relatively low speeds around 100mph. My firebird wing is hung off the rear just a little, I would have stuck it further back but the mounting bolts dictated where it went. The vette's currently racing have a similar wing hung off the back as well as many of the sports GT type race cars. From what I understand it's the best for both down force and lower CoD's. My car is stock height with 245/50-16's so at high speeds I get more then enough lift underneath LOL Yup I need a front lip bad, but I ain't gonna lower it, been there done that and regretted it flying over RR tracks, dips, and into driveways. I don’t do much track time so lowered is a negative for me.
Rick
Rick