^ I'm sorry(not you, dead) but do you have a Supra? Anyways...my take on all this is (whether it means anything or not) Excercising your rights as Americans is just as important as fighting for them. We not only need to fight for our rights from foreign countries but from our own government(not neccasarily sp* THIS one, but in general). And I think you need one to have the other. You need the zeal for this country enough to fight for it over seas. And you need the rights at home get the zeal...its like a circle but you gotta start somewhere.
Ingrates!
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Thought about it when I was younger and didn't know what I wanted to do. Now I'm comfortable with my job and my house that I've owned since I was 22. I've never had a hand out $$, I've earned it all with only the support(not financial) of my parents. I couldn't give up what I've worked so hard for unless I was truely needed and that point I would do what I had to do. But, I will not take stabs at the people that are out there risking there lives for the good of "OUR" country. So tell your buddys, I'll be their number one fan for the big win.
U still dont get it do you, the military is for the protection of the country.
why did we attack Iraq? they even came out and said well we were wrong there was no weapons of mass destruction, and we knew about afaghanistan being the ones that housed bin laden, yet we havent spent 1/4 what we have spent in Iraq to help them? and last time I checked Japan and Germany havent attacted use in a pretty damn long time. why do we still have troops over there if they are no threat to us?
why did we attack Iraq? they even came out and said well we were wrong there was no weapons of mass destruction, and we knew about afaghanistan being the ones that housed bin laden, yet we havent spent 1/4 what we have spent in Iraq to help them? and last time I checked Japan and Germany havent attacted use in a pretty damn long time. why do we still have troops over there if they are no threat to us?
CTsupra
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Just dropping by to say that ground warfare is alive and well, and it will continue to be the basis of conventional and unconventional warfare so long as we inhabit this planet.
One such group is called the
Army Special Forces - Green Berets.
One such group is called the
Army Special Forces - Green Berets.
CTsupra
Supramania Contributor
D34DC311 said:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if you saw someone that was being beat up and their family members killed and you could do something about it wouldn't you?? Sadam killed alot of people for no reason by us going over and stopping that we are saving innocent lives. And as for "well what about our soldiers dying" I say if you joined the military without thinking that you might be called into action and killed then you didn't think things through very well.
aye mate said:
ehhmm, srry man, but im going to have to correct u, sadam yes was a killer and a tyrant, dictator, and what ever else u want to call him, but.
what about places in North africa
they have not thousands but millions die. and not from diseases either.
so why arent we helping these people, they are screaming for our help, at least in Iraq they had food on the table they had electricity. these people in North africa have nothing, they are lower than 3rd world they are dying each day by the thousands. what about them please someone clear this up for me, why are we not helping them?
CtSupra said:
hes not, hes saying that nate is acting like a pawn, thats what is how the military gets recruits, come join the military uncle sam needs u.
pawn in a chess game, and a very expendable pawn, but our government needs to change, we cant continue to go on like we do, all nations fall without change, and I love this country enough to speak my mind and say we need to change and not continue on like this, is a government nothing without the people?
kwnate said:
I'm doing my part and trying to stay out of peoples lives like in Iraq
and trying to say that the people in north africa need to "learn how to fish" more than the people in Iraq.
CTsupra
Supramania Contributor
D34DC311 said:
..the more things change, the more they stay the same, and the more changing a country does... it falls anyway. heh. *shrugs*
tell the people of africa to stop overpopulating their country. everybody likes to talk about the misfortune of africa and how there is hunger and disease problems, yet no one is telling them to stop fucking each other and having < insert ginormous number here > kids every 9 months...
edit: i think we should start sending africa and other middle eastern countries condoms instead of other kinds of relief. include simple to read instructions that say: Here. Put this on your dickhead.
CtSupra said:
they do that because they dont know better and because like 1 out of the 10 kids they have actually make it to the age of 20, their thinking is the more they have the better chance to carry on the life. and yes, they have been teaching the women about birth control. but birth control cost money.
CTsupra
Supramania Contributor
i understand what you're saying, but i have to disagree. i believe their mentality is the same as over here with having 10+ kids and just free loading on welfare; except people from the middle east know that people from America will adopt or send them money ala the christians children fund, or any other organization that could care less about the poor and homeless in America's streets. also including celebrities that adopt overseas and not here in America. i think it's bullshit.
CTsupra
Supramania Contributor
this thread was destined to be a bitching thread. it had bitching written all over it. the title of the thread said, bitch. it was born of bitching. everybody in here is a bitch :rofl:
j/k.
j/k.
Greg-This is hilarious. I was just about to respond last night but the internet took a dump on me.
Here we go.
And I don't claim to be an "elightened" one. It's the libs that are supposed to be enlightened.
It kind of disappoints me to see that this thread has become what it is. I was hoping that just you and I could go at it, but it seems that I hoped for too much.
I would discuss/argue with some of you, but that would be pointless as some of you clearly have no business whatsoever talking about some of these topics. It's hard to educatedly discuss things with an uneducated person.
Here we go.
I know that not everybody thinks like me-not everybody can be right.Greg55_99 said:
And I don't claim to be an "elightened" one. It's the libs that are supposed to be enlightened.If you ask me, you don't have to serve in the military to support/help your country's cause. If the gentlemen you named support the military good for them. Whether they've served or not they know that freedom isn't free and they appreciate the role of the greatest military in the world. They aren't exactly terrorists for doing what they do.
I don't fly anymore and flight pay was $150 a month before I got promoted. If I were still flying I'd be collecting a whopping $165 a month! The extent of my career path in the military will not exceed my five year contract as I'm getting out next September. We have universal healthcare-enough said. :3d_frown: I live off base-no way in hell I'd live on base. The grocery store (comissary in military terms) generally has good prices, but they fluctuate often. My cars don't run on watered-down crap. I don't have kids yet. I don't drink.
You said it.
I don't remember saying that nearly 500 hours was very much. I don't consider it to be a lot, but considering the qualifications I achieved in that time, I did pretty well for myself. 3200 hours is quite a chunk. And why did you wait until now to establish the fact that you served in the military? Oh, and I'm not a pilgrim-I don't wear a funny hat and I didn't help "invent" Thanksgiving.
The E3A...ahh yes, the circular wing-provides lift in all directions (inside joke). Different aircraft have different roles, as you know. I've seen some E3As flying around lately, but if I have no interest in flying anything. I have had about 15 mins of stick time in one of our planes and I guess that was good enough for me. I'm more interested in being part of the crew responsible for making it flight worthy. As I've said before, I am going to pursue a career in aviation maintenance once I'm done with the military (but the job hunt will start months before I get out).
It kind of disappoints me to see that this thread has become what it is. I was hoping that just you and I could go at it, but it seems that I hoped for too much.
I would discuss/argue with some of you, but that would be pointless as some of you clearly have no business whatsoever talking about some of these topics. It's hard to educatedly discuss things with an uneducated person.
D34DC311 said:
first of all, my post was meant to be a joke, but the fact remains that the air force gets most of the cool toys to play with and the air force ISIS unit that was with me in New Orleans is probably still cleaning my drool off of their equipment (I'm army aviation btw).
Second, the air force does a lot of damage and army helicopters do a lot of damage, but both of those are combat support elements, and they are incapable of actually holding territory. I agree that traditional warfare is extinct; you no longer go out onto a battlefield and shoot at the other guys who are wearing different uniforms and are located accross from you. With this war on terror, the battle is in cities and communities where people live and the enemy can look like anything or anyone. You need boots on the ground to get the job done in that situation, but at the same time if you run accross something that you can't handle, i.e. you're taking fire from a group of enemy that is holed up in a building, it's a lot less life-costly to call in air support and destroy the building than to try to send soldiers into the building. THis is especially true with the accuracy of modern weapons. When the air force was dropping dumb-bombs on large area targets or targets that didn't have any friendly troops too close to them, it limits what they are able to do. However, when a bomb can target individual floors of a building, it's much safer to use it in extremely close support of friendly troops. The air force may get credit for the kill, but they aren't the only ones at work.
wh0wants2know said:
gotcha!
wh0wants2know said:
nailed it on the head, why risk lives when planes or helos. can do what need be, and not put a single person in harms way.