If yur making BIG F'n power, please look, I have ???s

[Reign_Maker]

Ok, I cant post this over in SF, because I dont want ANY local guys except my friends, like Bob and Shawn, know my plans... The people on my local forums, know I go onto SF and they sign up there and see what Im doing to my car... YIKES!

Anyway, my plans are like this: Im wanna build my 7M to 700hp on boost and 800 with spray... Please dont laugh, Im dead serious... After my little problem, Im not letting it phase me... I refuse to turn my back on the 7M... People ahve already asked me if I was thinking of goin 1J or even 2J... But I dont want that...

I look at cats like Duane, makin 620 and climbing...
Cats like, Genna Adamitskiy, makin 674... Mr Will Neely, makin 730! And that guy with the orange Supra that's doin 800hp I think...

I know it can be done... I want to do it... I WILL do it... But I need some help, some input...

What kind of rods, pistons, bearings, valve train............. What can handle that much power? I dont care about cost, if I have to buy piece by piece until I get it, I will... I just want to KNOW I have what it takes in there to make it go...

But please, give me some advice, some direction... What are you using? What works? I know I need forged pistons, but would shot peening or cryo treating the rods be sufficient, or should I get the forged rods?

Thanks for the input...
Jake

 

[IJ.]

Jake: My specs will easily support that sort of HP with the right Turbo.

Brand new GTE block
7M fully counter weighted crank
+17 thou Ross Forged Pistons
Pauter Rods
ARP Main studs
New GTE pump
GrpA Magnesium Pan
Ishihara Crank Scraper
Cometic 3mm MHG

Wade Cams .351"/9mm lift 280 degrees duration 226@50thou
+1mm Ferrea Valves
Ferrea Sport Compact Valve Springs
Ferrea Titanium Valve Spring Retainers
Ferrea Valve Seat Locators
Shimless buckets
Brand new ported head
AEM cam gears
ARP head studs

GT35/40R 700hp roller Wastegated turbo
2.5" Aluminium Hardpipes
PWR 6x10 Water to air IC
Stainless Ceramic coated Header
New design FFI intake manifold
GasResearch Carb
Dual LPG Converters
Full 3" exhaust Hi Flo Cat

Msd DIS4+ x2 CDI units
Msd Dis CDI coils x6
Wolf 3dV4+ 6 channel ECU
Wolf Wideband 02
Crank Trigger Ignition

Custom OSGiken Twinplate
Tremec TKO/500 5 speed
OSGiken Steel Flywheel

Chassis
Mk4 TT DBA Rotors F&R
AP Racing 4 piston callipers
SS Goodridge lines
Koni Yellow Shocks
Whiteline Swaybars
Full Poly Urethane bushes
Selby Springs
SS Lower Control arms

 

[oneandgone]

Tuning is EVERYTHING. Spend all the money in the world on parts, and put one shit tune on it and it won't last. Make sure you, or your tuner knows what they're doing, and have the patience to get it tuned right.

 

[PIONEER]

IJ:- was your head/block shaved/Decked a lot? Isn't the 3MM HG going to drop your compression a lot?

So what's the final word on the crank scraper? You guys notice some real gains with it?

 

[IJ.]

Pioneer: Nope Brand New Head and Block, I wanted to drop the Comp a bit so I can run my maxx 29 psi with no fear of detonation.

I'm using a 4.10:1 Diff so it shouldn't affect off boost drivability too much (Very tall 5th in the Tremec so I don't lose on top end either)

Can't really comment on the scraper haven't used it yet but it's nicely made and should do it's job with a minimum of fuss.
(you bare metal job on the Supra is looking good!)

 

[GrimJack]

Are you aware of the fact that Will wrote up an article on how to do just this? It's posted on 7MPower here: http://www.7mpower.com/7m_buildup.shtml - read it and you're pretty much set.

 

[jbsupra89t]

I don't know why, but I remember back in the day, reading from I think it was Will Neely, that at that power, a properly built and tuned 7m can last, but it's the trans that kept going to hell on him. I could believe it, I see ppl breaking the 154s all over the place, don't neglect that part either. Good luck, I love seeing big power out of a mk3... 7m, 1j, 2j, doesn't matter

-J

 

[SidewayzSupra]

My 2 cents. the 3mm headgasket does drop compression but that is what you want when your planning on boosting over 30psi to get those numbers. Also Duane had a problem with his cometic h/g and went with HKS(what I have and most everyone else) Duanes also pushing higher #'s then 620 now. Also the 3" exhaust I'd change to at least 3.5 if not 4" Also go with 3" intercooler piping your going to be pushing WAY more air in and out of your motor you don't want any detination or heat. Good luck hope your planning on the lottery or robbing a bank. Later-T

 

[IJ.]

My 2 cents. the 3mm headgasket does drop compression but that is what you want when your planning on boosting over 30psi to get those numbers. Also Duane had a problem with his cometic h/g and went with HKS(what I have and most everyone else) Duanes also pushing higher #'s then 620 now. Also the 3" exhaust I'd change to at least 3.5 if not 4" Also go with 3" intercooler piping your going to be pushing WAY more air in and out of your motor you don't want any detination or heat. Good luck hope your planning on the lottery or robbing a bank. Later-T

If you're talking about my 2.5" IC pipes do some math 3" aren't needed or desirable for the flow my Turbo makes @ 29psi.

JB: Agreed 100% that's why I went Tremec TKO/500 in mine.

 

[Ckanderson]

BTW will neely has a mk4 now.. his mk3 is sold

 

[PIONEER]

Wil Neeley is the biggest dyno Cheat, I've seen what it takes for his car to produce good Dyno #z :naughty:

 

[SuprAng]

Personally speaking all the 7ms ive seen die have been from poor tuning. Everyone always neglects timing. I dont know what youre doing for fuel/spark management, but for that much boost, scaling an afm signal isnt going to cut it.

Ive never seen a piston melt for no reason, or a rod let go due to too much rpm/power. Infact ive seen more failures from bad rebuilds than stock motors. So IMO get whatever you get,but MAKE sure you take it to a reputable 7m rebuilder. And use oem bearings.

If youre going to do anything put a lot of your money into the head so it can flow, Otherwise your top end power will choke.

IM not making super big power but thats my personal 2cents not just regurgitated internet garbage.

 

[Reign_Maker]

My 2 cents. the 3mm headgasket does drop compression but that is what you want when your planning on boosting over 30psi to get those numbers. Also Duane had a problem with his cometic h/g and went with HKS(what I have and most everyone else) Duanes also pushing higher #'s then 620 now. Also the 3" exhaust I'd change to at least 3.5 if not 4" Also go with 3" intercooler piping your going to be pushing WAY more air in and out of your motor you don't want any detination or heat. Good luck hope your planning on the lottery or robbing a bank. Later-T

T: I'll be goin HKS STOPPER mhg, 4" exhaust and 3" IC piping... Lottery? Bank robbing? Nope... Im 32 years old, got a good carreer, and have some expendable cash... :icon_razz

BTW will neely has a mk4 now.. his mk3 is sold

:bsflag: No way.. no no no noooooway... How can you be #1 on 7Mpowah and NOT have the mkiii anymore? *sniffs*:cry:

Wil Neeley is the biggest dyno Cheat, I've seen what it takes for his car to produce good Dyno #z :naughty:

Dont make a claim like that with out proof, or info, or something to substantiate that he "cheats" on the dyno... :3d_frown:

Personally speaking all the 7ms ive seen die have been from poor tuning. Everyone always neglects timing. I dont know what youre doing for fuel/spark management, but for that much boost, scaling an afm signal isnt going to cut it.

So IMO get whatever you get,but MAKE sure you take it to a reputable 7m rebuilder. And use oem bearings.

If youre going to do anything put a lot of your money into the head so it can flow.

Like I said before Ang, I dunno how long my compression was that low... I never did an inititial comp test when I bought the car... So, for all I know, its been this low the whole time... *dont worry, I've already berated myself for being so careless* Fuel/spark is controlled by ECU, VPC and SAFC...

The reputable 7M builder will be ME... :aigo: :1zhelp: :aigo:

THe head will be fully built with a nice P&P...

Anyway, Im looking forward to this build... I cant wait... I wanna start tomorrow, but, I hafta wait... But I'll keep asking, reading, and informing you all... This build is going to be a SupraMania EXCLUSIVE!

 

[PIONEER]

Wil Neely owns a MKIV now

When your friend owns a Dyno shop, the Drums can produce great Numbers !!!

 

[Reign_Maker]

Wil Neeley owns a MKIV now

When your friend owns a Dyno shop, the Drums can produce great Numbers !!!

That sucks the Will isnt part of the MKIII family anymore...

As for a claim like that: please have PROOF before saying that... I know there are tricks to pull power: icing the intake, removing belts, and other things... But claiming the guy had his "friend" fudge his numbers isnt cool, unless you have proof that its a fake or false...

 

[outofstep]

hey daywalker, get online. do the trick i told you about to deal with folks.

 

[tubbie]

Will has an mk4 cause the guy that wanted his mk3 traded the mk4 for it. Straight up trade.....

 

[PIONEER]

I've seen him and Eric Verah Dyno.

Lets get back to the topic.

 

[oneandgone]

Will has an mk4 cause the guy that wanted his mk3 traded the mk4 for it. Straight up trade.....

IIRC Will inherited the remainder of the payments on the MKIV also. Again, off topic. Sorry.

 

[figgie]

the 7m is more than capabe and seeing all these long stroke engine rev... the 7m when built should be able to rev accordingly. (see my 7m revability thread here and on SF for what I am talking about).

as for big HP

tuning is it. I think Will Neely grenaded a couple of engines on his quest to 700 hp BUt that is what happens when you use piggy backs on an antiquated ECU.