iwannadie;921809 said:
Pssst Obviously 99.9% of the people dont, that's how the 17,000 men women and children are slaughtered every year.
i just got off the phone with my lawyer...
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Pssst Obviously 99.9% of the people dont, that's how the 17,000 men women and children are slaughtered every year.
I agree 100% blame the person, BUT you have to admit somethings wrong with a system that allows an individual to get up to 30 DUI's then kill a family and walk the streets a free in a relatively short time, this leads to NO Fear. A system where most people think it's cool to go out to a bar, dance hall whatever, drink then drive home. I've heard all the stories from drunks how since they weigh this weight that booze effectes them differently. Freedom is like you said a DD, Cab, or stay home and drink, Freedom is not being allowed to do what ever the f you want at the cost of 17,000 lives consistently. Like I said if people would mobilzed like they do over lame issues they have no effect on, I truly think we could save untold thousands of lives.
One thing I have always found in this topic in discusision with folks in real life is typically those doing what they shouldn't are the biggest defenders of it and the last to act on it. It usually really takes a loved one to be slaughtered by a drunk driver before most act or even change their views on it.
One thing I have always found in this topic in discusision with folks in real life is typically those doing what they shouldn't are the biggest defenders of it and the last to act on it. It usually really takes a loved one to be slaughtered by a drunk driver before most act or even change their views on it.
suprageezer;921864 said:
Ive had several family members/friends killed by drunk drivers. I still do not think the idea of banning bars is the answer. How many automobile deaths unrelated to alcohol happen a year?
We can take a guess and say 99.9% of people driving are safe and that .1% have an accident. The same stat as yours on people going to bars, that .1% is always the problem. By your logic should we outlaw cars as they are obviously unsafe and cause deaths in the hands of that .1%? To me, blaming the bar is the same as blaming the car.
Even if you dont like my car analogy, what about Any place that sells liquor? Anyone can go to the store and buy liquor, walk outside and drink then drive.
If you hold bars as the cause of drunk driving and shut them down what next? Long boring movies that cause people to leave the theater tired and fall asleep at the wheel? I guess no more alcohol at restaurants either of course thats a given. Alcohol at home should be banned, anyone can go to a friends house drink too much then drive home.
You have to blame the person, passing the blame on is a waste of time. We need harsher laws and more time without a license/in jail. More money paid in fines and higher insurance etc.
FUCK drunk drivers, whether its your first time, or fifth time.
Suggestion:
First offense- Minimum 1 month in jail, 10k dollar fine, 1 year license revocation.
Second offense- 5 years minimum prison time, PERMANENT license revocation.
If you're stupid enough to do it once, you're damn near scum in my book. Do it twice and you're no better than some guy that beat a woman to death. It takes a perfectly CONSCIOUS decision to start drinking without a DD or ride home.
Third Offense? - 20 yrs prison :dunno:
The current consequences are FUCKING STUPID. It just costs a lot of time and money, and is an inconvenience. If there were REAL punishments ahead PLENTY more people would think their night through much more thoroughly.
OP: I'm sorry to hear they lowered your charge. But you seem like you've become more aware and *hopefully* won't do it again or let anyone you know do it. If you ever do it again, I hope you kill yourself and nobody else.
Suggestion:
First offense- Minimum 1 month in jail, 10k dollar fine, 1 year license revocation.
Second offense- 5 years minimum prison time, PERMANENT license revocation.
If you're stupid enough to do it once, you're damn near scum in my book. Do it twice and you're no better than some guy that beat a woman to death. It takes a perfectly CONSCIOUS decision to start drinking without a DD or ride home.
Third Offense? - 20 yrs prison :dunno:
The current consequences are FUCKING STUPID. It just costs a lot of time and money, and is an inconvenience. If there were REAL punishments ahead PLENTY more people would think their night through much more thoroughly.
OP: I'm sorry to hear they lowered your charge. But you seem like you've become more aware and *hopefully* won't do it again or let anyone you know do it. If you ever do it again, I hope you kill yourself and nobody else.
Blame the person not the establishment that sold the alcohol. It's the establishments responsibility to cut someone off if they feel its necessary by their standards but once a person leaves a bar their actions are entirely their own.
Current laws are far to lax on the issue. People need to be punished by law to the point where they wont even think of reoffending.
Current laws are far to lax on the issue. People need to be punished by law to the point where they wont even think of reoffending.
iHartSupra;921992 said:
UMMMMMMMM...... WHAT?!?!?!
How about people need to be punished by law to the point where they won't even think of OFFENDING.
I'm sure many people have been killed by a drunk driver who has NEVER gotten a DUI. AND I'm sure most first time DUI offenders have driven drunk more than one time before getting caught.
Aren't there some countries in Europe where a single DUI can end your driving career for life? I'd venture a guess and say that their drunk driving stats look much better than ours.
suprarx7nut;922074 said:
Punish someone by law to the point where they won't even think of offending? [size=+1]UMMMMMMMMMM......WHAT?!?!?[/size] How can you punish someone before they've done anything? Mandatory jail stay when everyone turns 16? Computer program that predicts who will offend?
Ever seen Minority Report?
Penalties don't stop crime. They never do.
Murder already carries with it the highest of penalties in many places (the loss of your own life). That doesn't stopt the 16,000 +/- a year murders in this country.
Legal penalties don't stop crime, they don't rehabilitate criminals. They punish. In the rare case where a judge forces reparations to be paid, some small amount of justice is done.
I'm done arguing this issue. There is no excuse for drunk driving. There is even less excuse for defending someone who does. Anyone who disagrees with either of those statements is, IMO, a hopeless idiot who isn't worth the time.
I'm glad the OP got away without killing someone. With any luck he may have learned something and will not do it again. Time will tell.
Murder already carries with it the highest of penalties in many places (the loss of your own life). That doesn't stopt the 16,000 +/- a year murders in this country.
Legal penalties don't stop crime, they don't rehabilitate criminals. They punish. In the rare case where a judge forces reparations to be paid, some small amount of justice is done.
I'm done arguing this issue. There is no excuse for drunk driving. There is even less excuse for defending someone who does. Anyone who disagrees with either of those statements is, IMO, a hopeless idiot who isn't worth the time.
I'm glad the OP got away without killing someone. With any luck he may have learned something and will not do it again. Time will tell.
The only thing that will ever have an effect on the amount of DWI/DUI's in this country is getting people to truly believe it's wrong. A lot of people do not have that value and that costs lives. Sucks.
blackturbona;920925 said:
my grandma was killed by a drunk driver, when she was coming home from church. i think they should've stuck you in jail for 10 years and never let you drive again
the guy got off with a slap on the wrist. that's how the only dui case i know turned out.
congratulations
Didn't get any jail time? Fuck that. Here you get at least 4 years no matter what...which is not nearly enough. You killed someone, you should be doing a lot more than 4. Luckily judges here have discretion to increase the sentence to whatever they see fit, and many people get more. But its still not enough.selfinfliction;922252 said:
The guy that killed my sis was a 9 time DWer. He should have been in jail a long time ago. He'll be 85 when he's eligible for parole. I hope he dies in jail.
Crush their cars like they do for street racing
2nd offence = jail time and being buttfucked by "Bubba"
2nd offence = jail time and being buttfucked by "Bubba"
IJ.;922260 said:
How does destroying property help?
You could at LEAST sell the cars and give the profits to the victims' families.
Crushing cars is symbolic feel good bullshit... The car didn't drive drunk. How about we just crush the driver?
IJ.;922260 said:
Fixed that for ya...
iHartSupra;922259 said:
don't say that man, hope he gets out for a month before he dies, so he sees everything he missed
Supracentral;922264 said:
and televise it.
public executions would solve the majority of serious crime we see in this country
Mike: Just figured fairs fair
They crush our cars for street racing, selling cars with the proceeds going to the victims of drunk drivers is another idea that has merit.
I don't drink at all not a drop of alcohol so I have a slightly different perspective on the whole drink drive thing...
It should be 0.000% BaC when in charge of a car.
They crush our cars for street racing, selling cars with the proceeds going to the victims of drunk drivers is another idea that has merit.
I don't drink at all not a drop of alcohol so I have a slightly different perspective on the whole drink drive thing...
It should be 0.000% BaC when in charge of a car.