How many run without EGR?

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Blksupra1jzed

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EGR? I can't seem to find it anywhere on my engine! I think they forgot it :) Lotta strange things started happening after the conversion...vacuum leaks/boost leaks I keep going! It scares me just like it did 4 years ago!

But yes, if it's factory it should have a speed cut...I shut down right at 120 like clockwork.

I agree with Neal. It's really irritating.
 

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Jdub, wouldnt your gearing effect that tho? Atleast road speed vs indicated speed if your final gears were different, not to mention tire size, and so on. You may have read 130 on your speedo and been pullin 115. Unless it was a trap speed at the track your referring to. And in your opinion for something like what im doing with my car (weekend warrior) mainly a track (drag) car seeing little street time, would an EGR really be needed? Since its not even close to a daily driver, and going to be an occasional cruise on a weekend, and a drag car at a local track. EGR is pretty useless in that situation is it not? Im not going SAEMS yet though either.
 

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Jdub: what colour is the plugs on your loom grey(ECU end)...

BLKsupra: Its kinda funny when your racing nissan GTR's and other JAP imports, you both scream to 180kph and stay there next to each other just chilling not accelerating.
 

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Raw - Yes that's possible, but I don't think so...I've checked my speedo against GPS and it's within a couple MPH.
I sent an e-mail to my bud, just waiting on a response.
On a track car, there is little chance of the EGR having much impact. It's the transition from cruise to boost under 4000 RPM (especially on a uphill grade) that will get you.

Neal - It's a grey plug.
 

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Ok so seeing i really dont have to many hills around here to be running on (thank you chicago) and if I am on one, im normally under boost well before i get to the hill, and im not going to be dropping a gear to go up one. So EGR isnt going to really help anyway. Other than the stated fuel econ, but that isnt really a valuable reason. But wont the increased Exhaust gas temps actually be beneficial in a turbo motor. Since they react to the heat, and you dont want "turbo chill" i believe its called. Diaper the turbo and wrap the down pipe. Keep that heat in there, and make sure it has good flow.
 

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anyone know of the best price on a new egr system. meaning everthing. I threw mine out and been using block off plates. Not that anything has gone wrong, just don't want to chance anything.
 

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rawmk3;1143381 said:
Ok so seeing i really dont have to many hills around here to be running on (thank you chicago) and if I am on one, im normally under boost well before i get to the hill, and im not going to be dropping a gear to go up one. So EGR isnt going to really help anyway.

The ability of the human mind to rationalize is incredible sometimes.


rawmk3;1143381 said:
Other than the stated fuel econ, but that isnt really a valuable reason.

Unless you call $3.75 a gallon gas prices "not that valuable".


rawmk3;1143381 said:
But wont the increased Exhaust gas temps actually be beneficial in a turbo motor. Since they react to the heat, and you dont want "turbo chill" i believe its called. Diaper the turbo and wrap the down pipe. Keep that heat in there, and make sure it has good flow.

Say what! You've been out the pastures picking mushrooms again haven't you. :3d_frown:
 

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this thread should be locked and done with. Jdub i dont know how many different ways you can say this same bit of knowledge over and over again but maybe speaking in French or Latin will clear it up once and for all.
 

ATL88Supra

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why would you want to remove it at all, it COOLS down the Temp in the CYLINDERS i know guys that have 1000hp cars and run them, hell they even have a switches to turn them on before and after a dyno pull

its common sense to keep it ON and even more so with the USDM ecu.

just my 2 cents
 

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Good for you...I guess you didn't read this thread as to WHY you don't want to do that.
 

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jdub;1143822 said:
Good for you...I guess you didn't read this thread as to WHY you don't want to do that.


Another case of blocking..

When will people learn! Sticky, this someone.. it needs to be seriously addressed. That engine by the way is hell a dirty in that thread he has, why not clean it? that will reduce engine temps.
 

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jdub;1143508 said:
The ability of the human mind to rationalize is incredible sometimes.




Unless you call $3.75 a gallon gas prices "not that valuable".




Say what! You've been out the pastures picking mushrooms again haven't you. :3d_frown:


And 3.75 a gal isnt really bad since its more here. And when your running high octane and or race fuel the prices go up from there. If you cant afford to pay for the fuel, then dont build the hell out of your car. Keep it mild, and fuel economy will be better.

Its a proven fact that in balance the hotter exhaust temps help a turbo motor. Just like little to NO back pressure. You may want to do the research on that. Cause the heat in the exhaust side of the turbo is what causes the turbine to spin, thus causing boost. Most turbo's get a "diaper" on the exhaust side to keep that heat in, as the same reason most headers get wrapped as well. You keep that heat in the pipes where its needed, and out of you engine compartment where it isnt needed. If your turbo gets to cool, it gets what is referred to as turbo chill. And effects boost.

Please dont be so narrow minded. Jdub, 90% of what I have seen from you comes down to, the toyota gods that designed this platform of vehicle were revolutionary, and infaluable. Yet there are a few things that have shown untrue to that line of yours of what is there is there for a reason.
First off most of the wiring is to thin of a ga for a reliable connection for a long time. Example is the starter, knock sensor, fuel pump. Then the EGR concept. Yes its there for the reasons you state, but it does not have to be there for the vehicle to work correctly. In certain instances yes you could detonate and cause a ton of problems, but that is mainly under certain parameters ONLY.
I dont see you flaming people who are putting FFIM's on the cars saying the stocker was there for a reason, and toyota knows better than the first guy to do that, I dont see you flaming people running stand alones saying toyota's ECU is way better either. There is ALWAYS room for improvement, and it takes peoples drive to change things and fail to make something that is successful. So you saying that something isnt a good idea or anything like that is kinda a moot point. You can say im rationalizing pulling my EGR, but frankly im not going to need it.
Fuel prices arent really a major concern for me in my supra, since its not a daily driver and im building it for power not fuel economy. So if those statements mean I have been eating shrooms, I guess you must be right. But after my car is built and I post up everything on my build you can then tell me everything I have done wrong, and that i should have left the car alone to toyota's spec. The concept of to each their own is great, and you giving reasons as to what is good and bad about pulling something like an EGR should be only that. State the facts, and let the person make their own choice. Stop flaming people for saying they dont want the extra 2-5mpg, or lower exhaust gas temps. If someone grenades a motor because of an EGR not being there, then point it out, and say an EGR would have helped stop that, but other wise, I have yet see a documented event where an EGR would have prevented a blown motor under normal driving conditions.
 
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rawmk3;1143850 said:
And 3.75 a gal isnt really bad since its more here. And when your running high octane and or race fuel the prices go up from there. If you cant afford to pay for the fuel, then dont build the hell out of your car. Keep it mild, and fuel economy will be better. And its a proven fact that in balance the hotter exhaust temps help a turbo motor. Just like little to NO back pressure. You may want to do the research on that. Cause the heat in the exhaust side of the turbo is what causes the turbine to spin, thus causing boost. Most turbo's get a "diaper" on the exhaust side to keep that heat in, as the same reason most headers get wrapped as well. You keep that heat in the pipes where its needed, and out of you engine compartment where it isnt needed. If your turbo gets to cool, it gets what is referred to as turbo chill. And effects boost. Please dont be so narrow minded. Jdub, 90% of what I have seen from you comes down to, the toyota gods that designed this platform of vehicle were revolutionary, and infaluable. Yet there are a few things that have shown untrue to that line of yours of what is there is there for a reason. First off most of the wiring is to thin of a ga for a reliable connection for a long time. Example is the starter, knock sensor, fuel pump. Then the EGR concept. Yes its there for the reasons you state, but it does not have to be there for the vehicle to work correctly. In certain instances yes you could detonate and cause a ton of problems, but that is mainly under certain parameters ONLY. I dont see you flaming people who are putting FFIM's on the cars saying the stocker was there for a reason, and toyota knows better than the first guy to do that, I dont see you flaming people running stand alones saying toyota's ECU is way better either. There is ALWAYS room for improvement, and it takes peoples drive to change things and fail to make something that is successful. So you saying that something isnt a good idea or anything like that is kinda a moot point. You can say im rationalizing pulling my EGR, but frankly im not going to need it. Fuel prices arent really a major concern for me in my supra, since its not a daily driver and im building it for power not fuel economy. So if those statements mean I have been eating shrooms, I guess you must be right. But after my car is built and I post up everything on my build you can then tell me everything I have done wrong, and that i should have left the car alone to toyota's spec. The concept of to each their own is great, and you giving reasons as to what is good and bad about pulling something like an EGR should be only that. State the facts, and let the person make their own choice. Stop flaming people for saying they dont want the extra 2-5mpg, or lower exhaust gas temps. If someone grenades a motor because of an EGR not being there, then point it out, and say an EGR would have helped stop that, but other wise, I have yet see a documented event where an EGR would have prevented a blown motor under normal driving conditions.

Rawmk3, I guess you fail to understand that your logic is not relevant at all. You said that Jdub here " flames " people about certain things. Explain to me the consequence of using a FFIM over the stock? I will tell you that intake temps may be slightly cooler, considering that the air does not have to travel over the exhaust system. The EGR HAS ILL effects, and that you even said, [ Can blow a motor, can create knock, and can cause problems ]

You can't be serious with your statements, they make no sense. Jdub does not think everything on the supra was there and should be left, but obvious things like a EGR should be left there, You yourself just told us there are ill effects, FFIM HAS NONE, your statements you just typed made yourself look ignorant.

Not only are you trying to prove yourself her, but you're doing it in the wrong way, if I were you I would rethink what you just said, and then push the damn Edit* button* and delete what you just said.

:3d_frown:
 

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92TealSupra;1143865 said:
Rawmk3, I guess you fail to understand that your logic is not relevant at all. You said that Jdub here " flames " people about certain things. Explain to me the consequence of using a FFIM over the stock? I will tell you that intake temps may be slightly cooler, considering that the air does not have to travel over the exhaust system. The EGR HAS ILL effects, and that you even said, [ Can blow a motor, can create knock, and can cause problems ]

You can't be serious with your statements, they make no sense. Jdub does not think everything on the supra was there and should be left, but obvious things like a EGR should be left there, You yourself just told us there are ill effects, FFIM HAS NONE, your statements you just typed made yourself look ignorant.

Not only are you trying to prove yourself her, but you're doing it in the wrong way, if I were you I would rethink what you just said, and then push the damn Edit* button* and delete what you just said.

:3d_frown:

You missed the point. What i was getting at was there is always room for improvement. And with a stock USDM ecu, it needs the EGR, but a standalone does not. So at that point, the only reason its needed would be cooler exhaust temps, and better fuel econ. As stated by JJ, and JDUB. But there has been many times he has come to me with the toyota put it there for a reason, so leave it there. Thats not a viable reason.

I have nothing to prove to anyone, i do my own things. I come here to find parts distributors, and if I can help someone with a lil advice then great. All I offer is information from my own past, and or things I know about. So if I am misinformed in any way, feel free to say something. I love learning new things.
 
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