this is one of the worst stories ive read about a teacher.
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/24/30gtteacher-lets-students-vote-out-classmate-5/
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/24/30gtteacher-lets-students-vote-out-classmate-5/
how can someone do this to child
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He is starting to be diagnosed with autism? How convenient for his mother. A built in lawsuit, because she can't make her kid mind at school. He had been sent to the principals office before this. It wasn't a one time thing, and the other kids are entitled to an education without the distraction of one kid. They should have one room for "special" kids if they are a nuisance or distraction to the others. I have two girls, and I don't want them having to spend half their day listening to the teacher talk to one kid who refuses to pay attention, or refuses to be quiet while she's trying to teach. It's not fair to the other sixteen kids. Maybe she handled it wrong, but all I can think is that his mother sees dollar signs and that's the only reason she's making a big deal out of this. She's got to know how her son acts all the time, so it can't be that big a surprise to her.
i dont think it was right for a teacher to humiliate a 5yr old child like that though.
poor parenting is not the fault of 5 yr old child. its because of poor parenting that im picky who i let my children play with. i know its not always the childs fault, its mostly the parenting.
poor parenting is not the fault of 5 yr old child. its because of poor parenting that im picky who i let my children play with. i know its not always the childs fault, its mostly the parenting.
A five year old also is old enough to mind. If a teacher tells you to be quiet and listen then he should. If he isn't smart enough to do that then he probably isn't smart enough to be humiliated. I'm not saying what she did was right, but she did what she felt was best for the other kids in her class. Some of the other parents should really try and support her, but they won't. Everyone will just say nothing while this other lady gets two million dollars because her son won't mind anyone.
i just think it shouldve been handled a different way.
i dont think people should get money because their kid was embarassed. teachers should set a better example than this for the other kids.
a friend of mines child was diagnosed with autism, and it did take awhile for the diagnosis. they did several test over several months before making a final decision.
i dont think people should get money because their kid was embarassed. teachers should set a better example than this for the other kids.
a friend of mines child was diagnosed with autism, and it did take awhile for the diagnosis. they did several test over several months before making a final decision.
The foundation for alienation and rejection has been solidly cast in this kid's life.
The teacher could have removed the child from class and brought the side Suprahero is discussing, which I understand and certainly sypathize with, to the parents and delt with it privately.
Putting the kid on the spot and having his peers reject him publically is a good way to crush a child's potential. If you understand the way human phsycology works, from that day forward, everything that happens to that poor kid will be some spin on the concept of rejection and humiliation. It's a viscious cycle that's only just begun.
What that teacher did was easily and by far, the worst possible solution to the problem at hand.
The teacher could have removed the child from class and brought the side Suprahero is discussing, which I understand and certainly sypathize with, to the parents and delt with it privately.
Putting the kid on the spot and having his peers reject him publically is a good way to crush a child's potential. If you understand the way human phsycology works, from that day forward, everything that happens to that poor kid will be some spin on the concept of rejection and humiliation. It's a viscious cycle that's only just begun.
What that teacher did was easily and by far, the worst possible solution to the problem at hand.
The kids voted of their own mind according to the article. Remember, this kid has not been diagnosed one way or the other yet, and there was no mention that the teacher knew about his possible autism.
Besides, she did not tell him to leave the class, only showed the other childrens dissaproval for his acting out.
Besides, she did not tell him to leave the class, only showed the other childrens dissaproval for his acting out.
Keros;1036728 said:
I have to disagree. I've been humiliated and rejected most of my childhood life one way or another. Try being a poor hillbillie kid with a prostitute for a mother having to get free lunches at school and whatever you can steal just to feed your siblings. I'm the oldest of four and I've dealt with ridicule and humiliation most of my life. Now that I'm an adult, I dont' have to deal with it, but as a kid that rarely got to bathe and was constantly in the nurses office for lice inspection, there's nothing more humiliating than that. It didn't ruin my life, it made me a better person for having to deal with the hardships. It makes me a better parent, knowing that I will never put my kids through that. This kid is five, he'll forget it by the time he's six. If he has autism, they should get him some help. If he doesn't, they should try some different form of discipline, because he isn't showing the teachers and classmates the respect they deserve.
Errr... nice sentiment, but not even close. There are LOTS of worse ways to handle this. Expulsion. Encouraging the class to beat the offender. (They still did this when I was 5...)Keros;1036728 said:
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I voted for him to go. :: IJ. ::
J one of these days I'm gonna have to go golfing with you.
I'll suck but that's ok. :biglaugh:
J one of these days I'm gonna have to go golfing with you.
I'll suck but that's ok. :biglaugh:
I dont see anything out of line, myself.. From the sounds of it, the kids voted that his behavior was out of hand.. I went to a poor school district and I dealt with this shit 99% of my schooling.. I was very fortunate to have parents who were hands on with me. I learn more after school and during the summer than actually in school..It was disruptive and really adhered from my education.. I am sorry, but I believe this lady KNEW her child had behavioral problems.. We, as a society today, blanket every freaking thing..Instead of taking responsibility, we blame our problems on some kind of "Disease"... "Well, little Billy acts out because he's got ADHD"... Bullshit! Give that little kid a smack on the ass when he's acting unruly, that will stop that in its track.. We have the minority ruling the majority.. We have the fear of God put into us about whats right/wrong about disciplining our child.. I dont agree at all with beating your children, but I strongly believe that a spanking when the child cognitively knows right from wrong, is acceptable.. I am not prejudice against people with autism. My best friend's brother is autistic and I absolutely love him. He's talented, creative and an amazing young man. He's very well mannered, respectful and soft-spoken, because they disciplined him... If my son was in a position like this, I would support the teacher...If there was a child like this acting out, and it continued, I would probably remove my child from the class..Its sad that there are so many ropes tying teachers hands behind their back, that they cant control the children in their classroom..I am sure that poor teacher would be in the same position had she disciplined that kid, also.. He would have probably gotten mad, and told his mommy that his teacher hit him or something.. Kids now-a-days are raised with this "guilt free" attitude... They can knowingly falsely accuse someone of something that could damage their life, be like "Whoopsie, did I do that?!" and not get into trouble..They are turning kids into sociopaths.. When something they dont like happens, they just blame the person to get out of trouble.. Its a sad sick world when we lose control of our children..Its only going to cause ignorance.. Then again, they say stupid people are easier to control then the educated..
Edit: I looked at that kids picture and he looks like a little unruly pecker... Like they say... SCHOOL ISNT DAYCARE... You need to teach your children discipline at home.. Schools are just becoming "Free dumping grounds" for children while their parents are at work.. Parents complain when their children arent getting an adequate education, but turn around and complain when their little "Billy" gets disciplined for being Problem Child..
Edit: I looked at that kids picture and he looks like a little unruly pecker... Like they say... SCHOOL ISNT DAYCARE... You need to teach your children discipline at home.. Schools are just becoming "Free dumping grounds" for children while their parents are at work.. Parents complain when their children arent getting an adequate education, but turn around and complain when their little "Billy" gets disciplined for being Problem Child..
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If the class was voting on them disagreeing with his behavior or whatever, that's fine. If the class actually voted him out, that's definitely wrong. Either way, I find myself agreeing with Jay. The kid will most likely forget this pretty soon. I also completely 100% agree that mentally challenged children should be taught in separate classrooms, if they are disruptive. I have a friend that is considered highly functional, but he still acts out regularly. He does it because he knows he can get away with it and everyone usually gets a good laugh out of it. The classes I have experience with this in are base level electives, I've never had a class that mattered with one so I can't comment on the distraction being a real issue there or not, but I know I'd be pretty ticked, personally.
foreverpsycotic;1036748 said:
Wow! Kids are being taught to vote for something fucked up? That sounds like what is happening in our High Schools and Colleges. I didn't think they would go this young.
With all of the bullshit parents fill their children's heads with these days, I am surprised that the child has this sort of clarity and intelligence. He's practically made for "Fight Club".
A psychiatric disorder of childhood characterized by marked deficits in communication and social interaction, preoccupation with fantasy, language impairment, and abnormal behavior, such as repetitive acts and excessive attachment to certain objects. It is usually associated with intellectual impairment.
If the kid was truly autismic,would he not need special schooling?
A friend of mine has a child with autism,and i have no idea how they deal with it.
He can go from coloring quietly to running around screaming incoherently in seconds.
But don't schools already have forms of this kind of selectivness already? Beauty contests? Class presidents?Hall monitor?King and queen of the prom?
If the kid was truly autismic,would he not need special schooling?
A friend of mine has a child with autism,and i have no idea how they deal with it.
He can go from coloring quietly to running around screaming incoherently in seconds.
But don't schools already have forms of this kind of selectivness already? Beauty contests? Class presidents?Hall monitor?King and queen of the prom?
I remember when I was in school, they had a special class at the corner of the school for kids that misbehaved.....
what happened to that class room..?
what happened to that class room..?
Where the teacher went wrong: What business does a teacher have giving this kind of decision to 5 year olds? She clearly demonstrated her inability to handle her responsibility. Granted, she was probably worn out. Maybe she had taken this to the principal and/or family, maybe not. Either way, the responsibility to handle the issue landed straight on her shoulders, and she failed. A multi-million dollar mistake? Hard to say, but probably not based on this alone. If other examples of mental and/or physical abuse are proven, as alleged, then maybe.
Where the school administration went wrong: The kind of disruption the teacher and class allege should have been known by the principal, and should have been addressed long before it reached this point. Alternative classes? A school equiped to deal with this level of autism? Teachers and classes designed for this student? I don't have the facts and don't know, but they should have.
Where the parents went wrong: Who here as an autistic child and knows the right way to handle their education? I would guess none of us, but which parents here would fight to the end to give their child every possible advantage? Having watched the mom on tv this morning, I get the feeling that she may have pushed so hard to have her kid "normalized" into mainstream classes that she may have missed out on the opportunity to educate him in a setting that could accomodate his disability. Sue her? No. But if my feeling is right, she needs to take a serious look at the reality of her son's autism and put him in the right setting. All I'm trying to say is that as much as I believe their intentions were as pure as snow, they may have set him up for failure by mainstreaming him if better alternatives existed.
Where the school administration went wrong: The kind of disruption the teacher and class allege should have been known by the principal, and should have been addressed long before it reached this point. Alternative classes? A school equiped to deal with this level of autism? Teachers and classes designed for this student? I don't have the facts and don't know, but they should have.
Where the parents went wrong: Who here as an autistic child and knows the right way to handle their education? I would guess none of us, but which parents here would fight to the end to give their child every possible advantage? Having watched the mom on tv this morning, I get the feeling that she may have pushed so hard to have her kid "normalized" into mainstream classes that she may have missed out on the opportunity to educate him in a setting that could accomodate his disability. Sue her? No. But if my feeling is right, she needs to take a serious look at the reality of her son's autism and put him in the right setting. All I'm trying to say is that as much as I believe their intentions were as pure as snow, they may have set him up for failure by mainstreaming him if better alternatives existed.
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I myself see no problem at all here...
If I had a child that was in that class and some little shit kept disrupting then hell yeah let the children express there dislike for the bastard child....
And if it was by kid that got in trouble then I'd probably kick myself in the ass for not sporting a jimmy hat!!!
But he's a handsome little shit......
If I had a child that was in that class and some little shit kept disrupting then hell yeah let the children express there dislike for the bastard child....
And if it was by kid that got in trouble then I'd probably kick myself in the ass for not sporting a jimmy hat!!!
But he's a handsome little shit......