how can someone do this to child
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To the OP, I apologize for getting this off track. This may have been what you wanted when you posted it and if so then I'm glad I could oblige. I have no harsh feelings for Mike or anyone else on this site except for maybe Buckshotglass. I wish he would have been the one that got into this with Mike, but like I said, I drew the short straw this time, but I won't be baited into this again. Maybe I should start a group.......
People that want to debate sith SC, but that need help.........anybody in?
People that want to debate sith SC, but that need help.........anybody in?
I'm with suprahero on this one, I was the out cast until high school, I went to public school and yes had teachers make fun and have the class pick on me. I didn't have a ton of friends well I think I had maybe 2, but they were kinda in the same spot as me. I also had horrible acne starting 6th grade until the end of high school. I wasn't a disturbance in class just was the poor kid. To be honest though, I really don't remember much, am I all whining because of what happened to me back in grade school? no. So I don't see how this is any different only that this kid kinda deserved it.
Teachers these days have no power left and I think its pretty ridiculous that kids can stomp all over them and their fuckin dumbass parents come to their rescue. Public school these days is pretty much a big baby sitting center.
Teachers these days have no power left and I think its pretty ridiculous that kids can stomp all over them and their fuckin dumbass parents come to their rescue. Public school these days is pretty much a big baby sitting center.
suprahero;1038206 said:
I think it stayed on track for the most part. We certainly explored both sides of it.
suprahero;1038206 said:
It's all good. If everyone agreed with me, this would be a very boring planet.
D34DC311;1038207 said:
Well you know how I feel on that one. Government's got no business educating kids to start with... But that's another thread.
suprahero;1038194 said:
Unfortunately, I tend to agree that the large potential for the chance at millions may be the a motive behind the mother's actions... which is sad.
I certainly understand your view Jay: that that's the way it tends to be in school... plenty of people above have posted that very much the same thing happened to them in school.
But, I contend that it's the way it shouldn't be. Society does alot of things it shouldn't do and then people act all surprised at the dire consequences that may potentially stem from those actions.
Holy Shit all you guys gave me a headache (read through half and said fuck it).
I'll agree with Mike, He's going to carry these scars and probably have low confidence.
I'll agree with Mike, He's going to carry these scars and probably have low confidence.
bluemkiii;1038256 said:
How do you think mine feel. I feel like I've got two black eyes..............:biglaugh:
Zumtizzle;1038246 said:I'll agree with Mike, He's going to carry these scars and probably have low confidence.
Lets hope he's stronger than that.
SC, I'm still envious of the pole..............:3d_frown:
I've read most of this, so I have very little that I feel I can contribute without repeating other comments. But here's what I've got.
I agree - the child should have been removed from the classroom, if he was a disturbance. But I don't agree with how it was done. I find it disgusting that a teacher (especially a private school teacher, not even a mainstream public school teacher) thought it was acceptable to bring a 5 year old child, with a mental disorder, to the front of the room, and listen while 16 other children said why they didn't like him, and then watch as they voted him out. This is the real world, not a fucked-up version of Survivor or American Idol.
Most 5 year olds I know of would have forgotten about it within a few hours, yes.
However, I spent most of my summers in middle school and just before high school volunteering at a school for the mentally and physically handicapped. One of the students that I dealt with on a daily basis was a young child with autism. Autistic children DO NOT respond to things like a "normal" child does. Things like acceptance and rejection, especially to a high-level autistic, are so unbelievably out of proportion to what you would normally expect. So yes, while a "normal" child would most likely forget about it or shrug it off after a while, an autistic child won't. That rejection will stick with them for quite some time, and it will cause emotional scarring.
Just my .02 though.
EDIT: Let me just add here that I partially blame the mother, for not having him in a special school. Also, from what I've read of the articles so far, it doesn't look like the mother is suing for money, just the teacher's dismissal.
I agree - the child should have been removed from the classroom, if he was a disturbance. But I don't agree with how it was done. I find it disgusting that a teacher (especially a private school teacher, not even a mainstream public school teacher) thought it was acceptable to bring a 5 year old child, with a mental disorder, to the front of the room, and listen while 16 other children said why they didn't like him, and then watch as they voted him out. This is the real world, not a fucked-up version of Survivor or American Idol.
Most 5 year olds I know of would have forgotten about it within a few hours, yes.
However, I spent most of my summers in middle school and just before high school volunteering at a school for the mentally and physically handicapped. One of the students that I dealt with on a daily basis was a young child with autism. Autistic children DO NOT respond to things like a "normal" child does. Things like acceptance and rejection, especially to a high-level autistic, are so unbelievably out of proportion to what you would normally expect. So yes, while a "normal" child would most likely forget about it or shrug it off after a while, an autistic child won't. That rejection will stick with them for quite some time, and it will cause emotional scarring.
Just my .02 though.
EDIT: Let me just add here that I partially blame the mother, for not having him in a special school. Also, from what I've read of the articles so far, it doesn't look like the mother is suing for money, just the teacher's dismissal.
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This is the teachers version of what happened. I don't think it changes anything, but I don't know if everyone seen it. She's been reassigned, but I dont' think she's been fired yet. I'm sure she will be though.
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/29/police-report-reveals-teachers-side-incident-which/
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/may/29/police-report-reveals-teachers-side-incident-which/
"“In (Jessica’s) mind, (the vote) was a real non-event,” Moore said."
WTF does that mean? I bet its in the same child rearing manual that time-outs come from.
Fucking reporters. First of all it makes no mention of whether or not the teacher was aware the child was being tested for autism. It mentions the child had been disciplined before but not exactly how many times. Has this child been a severe disruption all school year and this was just the final straw? In my mind the article infers this.
Power to provide adaquate discipline in schools has long been taken away from teachers and left in the hands of law enforcement, a sad and wholey inadaquate system. This drops the ball squarely on the shoulders of the parent. This childs mother was obviously aware the child was in trouble or she wouldnt have him tested.
Communication between the teacher and the parent most obviously broke down in this case and the school adminstration failed to act as well before this incident. I think all parties involved are equally to blame, however, sadly the child once again pays the price. I dont think the teacher should be singled out as the monster here. She obviously didnt know how to cope with the situation and may infact have been influenced by the pop culture post "survivor" media. Shes a teacher, not a surgeon, so mistakes can and will happen in the classroom until education is better funded, but lets be honest, she didnt sever the boys spinal collumn.
Whatever damage MIGHT have been done can be undone. The child may have autism, is he even capable of understanding what happened to him? Sure he was upset when interviewed, but he also said his teacher physically abused him which the classmates refuted. Maybe he will remember this next week and Im sure he will now that the whole thing has been turned into a "federal case", but I doubt this leaves any lasting impression.
Let the first person here who grew up without emotional scars raise their hand. To the rest of you who learned, "Life is tough were a helmet" good for you for not ending up on the front page of a Colorado newpaper...now here is a cookie go STFU while I vote off the "Nancy Pants".
of course...thats just my opinion.
WTF does that mean? I bet its in the same child rearing manual that time-outs come from.
Fucking reporters. First of all it makes no mention of whether or not the teacher was aware the child was being tested for autism. It mentions the child had been disciplined before but not exactly how many times. Has this child been a severe disruption all school year and this was just the final straw? In my mind the article infers this.
Power to provide adaquate discipline in schools has long been taken away from teachers and left in the hands of law enforcement, a sad and wholey inadaquate system. This drops the ball squarely on the shoulders of the parent. This childs mother was obviously aware the child was in trouble or she wouldnt have him tested.
Communication between the teacher and the parent most obviously broke down in this case and the school adminstration failed to act as well before this incident. I think all parties involved are equally to blame, however, sadly the child once again pays the price. I dont think the teacher should be singled out as the monster here. She obviously didnt know how to cope with the situation and may infact have been influenced by the pop culture post "survivor" media. Shes a teacher, not a surgeon, so mistakes can and will happen in the classroom until education is better funded, but lets be honest, she didnt sever the boys spinal collumn.
Whatever damage MIGHT have been done can be undone. The child may have autism, is he even capable of understanding what happened to him? Sure he was upset when interviewed, but he also said his teacher physically abused him which the classmates refuted. Maybe he will remember this next week and Im sure he will now that the whole thing has been turned into a "federal case", but I doubt this leaves any lasting impression.
Let the first person here who grew up without emotional scars raise their hand. To the rest of you who learned, "Life is tough were a helmet" good for you for not ending up on the front page of a Colorado newpaper...now here is a cookie go STFU while I vote off the "Nancy Pants".
of course...thats just my opinion.
it didnt really got off topic at all. i feel fortunate that this is a forum thats not afraid to let people voice opinions on things. we all have opinions, some just different than others.
i would not get in a debate with sc either, atleast without alot of research. ive seen him shut to many people down and make them look stupid. i dont need any help with that.
i was just horrified with this treatment of a small child and wanted to share.
i would not get in a debate with sc either, atleast without alot of research. ive seen him shut to many people down and make them look stupid. i dont need any help with that.
i was just horrified with this treatment of a small child and wanted to share.
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Not to talk about Mike behind his back, but he is a bit harsh. If you don't have facts to bring to the table, get ready for the hurt.
Now, after reading the second article, it seems that it wasn't as bad as the first article tried to show it as.
Do I think it was wrong? Yes. But it wasn't as bad as once thought.
Honestly, this was the SECOND time that day he was sent out of class, and the first article said it happened often. He should have been removed by the principle WAY before any of this happened.
Now, after reading the second article, it seems that it wasn't as bad as the first article tried to show it as.
Do I think it was wrong? Yes. But it wasn't as bad as once thought.
Honestly, this was the SECOND time that day he was sent out of class, and the first article said it happened often. He should have been removed by the principle WAY before any of this happened.
I have a point to prove.
For 1 - people bitching about this...you know you would laugh at it if it was on southpark or something
For 2 - Its fair democracy. If the kids dont want him around arent they entitled to that? That is the principal our country is built on. If you dont like something you have the power to change it. She could have done it a better way but it was fair IMO.
For 1 - people bitching about this...you know you would laugh at it if it was on southpark or something
For 2 - Its fair democracy. If the kids dont want him around arent they entitled to that? That is the principal our country is built on. If you dont like something you have the power to change it. She could have done it a better way but it was fair IMO.
"FAIR" democracy = two wolves and a sheep arguing over what's for dinner.
The kid is FIVE. Five year olds? Have the attention span of a sparrow on cocaine. They're GOING TO ACT UP.
The kid is FIVE. Five year olds? Have the attention span of a sparrow on cocaine. They're GOING TO ACT UP.
Poodles;1038474 said:
He's not that harsh, but the namecalling seems a bit childish for someone as educated as himself. He can prove his point just as easily without using the phrase "inhuman fuckheads"....or whatever it was...........:biglaugh:
I see how it is wrong for the teacher to have the kids vote. She is the authority figure, or she is suppose to be, in this classroom. She should have called the parent and had her come pick up her troublemaking kid. She should have set up a parent teacher conference and discussed other alternatives for her child since he doesn't have the attention span to stay quiet in class. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think for a minute that these five year olds were discussing the theory of relativity or anything like that, but a disturbance is a disturbance, no matter what they were doing.
DT, that's the same arguement Mike told me about fair democracy, and it does make sense. I'm not likeing the sheep's side of it............:aigo:
Isphius....it would be funny if it was on SouthPark, but that's a cartoon. Hurting a five year olds feelings, if it did, isn't funny. I'm not backtracking on my original statements. I just don't want anyone thinking I think it's o.k. to hurt a kids feelings. She did what she thought was best. That's all I can ask of a teacher. If her best isnt' good enough, or if other parents think she made a mistake, then they have the right to take action against her........although a monetary gift isn't going to help her kids feelings, and it's not going to teach the kids anything except how to get a free ride. Maybe the teacher should be disciplined like the kid. Maybe have all the parents stand up and vote on her keeping her job and telling her how they feel about her..........:dunno:
If this had been my child, yes, I would be upset. Now having said that, it would never be my child, because both of my girls know not to talk when an adult is talking, and they know if they get in trouble at school, their will be consequences and reprocussions.............:evil2:
Luckily for me they're scared of my bark so I dont' have to bite.
Isphius;1038478 said:
DreamerTheresa;1038583 said:
It is most certainly not the principle our nation is based on...
I'll take it a step further just to illustrate how sick, dangerous and unfair a "fair democracy" is. In a fair democracy the 245 Million non-black citizens in the United States voting to enslave the 39 Million black citizens would be just fine. That's an 87% majority vote. It's certainly "fair"....
This is why our founding fathers left us a Constitution and Bill of Rights. These are the two things that protect you, and give you the tools to protect yourself, from your fellow man. This is a nation of law, not a nation of men. And it's a damned good thing it is.
In this instance, since we're involving children, the adults in the situation fill the role of the Constitution. They are the moderator. I stated it in my 1st post, I'm restating it here. That kid should have been removed from class. The teachers role was to protect everyone's rights in that classroom.
He (and his classmates) should not have been subjected to a episode of mob rule.
It's a dangerous lesson to teach kids.
They wind up thinking like Isphius...
And yes, you guys are right, I tend to get brutal when it comes to defending principles. But I have lost quite a few arguments. Just bring your "A" game and some well researched facts and you can trounce me if I'm wrong. I'll even admit when I'm wrong. You just have to convince me that I am. :icon_bigg