help removing power steering

[figgie]

I'm still waiting to hear your "facts" on how a dry rack steers just as good as one with sealed fluid in it.....

do you understand what "facts" & "opinions" mean?
Fact- I want to remove my p/s
Opinion - dry rack is easier to steer than a fluid sealed rack
Fact - Easier to work on a motor that doesnt have p/s items or fluid from a leaky system
Opinion- no p/s is super hard to steer
Fact - your opinion has nothing to do with the length needed to loop the system
Fact - A 7mgte with a hks long runner manifold and GT4088 makes it harder to get to areas with p/s in the way

apparently you don't understand how this works. I need not provide you facts on such ignorant statement such as

I'm still waiting to hear your "facts" on how a dry rack steers just as good as one with sealed fluid in it.....

since i never stated no such idiocies. But seeing as reading comprehension is lacking....

No hydraulic assist, regardles if it is looped back or not is the same in both cases regardless of what you "think or feel". The MKIII power steering rack is not a perpetual machine

Gee I wonder why that COMMA is there after the first three words? Perhaps to insert a pause to clarify the sentence... nah can not be!

Toyota ENGINEERS designed the steering rack to be hydraulic assisted. What you decide to redneck rig your car is out of this forums focal point (and looping a system so it does no work is the very definition of redneck rigging)

My strength, again making assumptions makes an ass out of U and only U as it does not affect me in anyway.

GT4088? Really? That turbo size has to do with PS resevior interference how exactly? Let me guess. Wasn't designed correctly so now you have to hodge podge the layout to make it work? Not surprising.

 

[Nomad707]

my wife -man i gotta get used to that- has no powersteering because i gave her the supra that way.. she handles it just fine parking and going.. BUT like he said, when you lose control you WONT get it back with fighting the kind of force it will take to turn the wheel, BUT i loved not having it.. especially on the mountain roads.. i feel so much more in control.. but thats just me.

I did what rennat did, i welded it and it works just fine.

on another supra i had, i didn't remove anything aside the power steering belt... then when i got time down the road i took everything else out.

erm just thought about it.. i think ill be putting PS back on my girls car.. i dont want her losing traction and not being able to get it back

 

[supraman502]

apparently you don't understand how this works. I need not provide you facts on such ignorant statement such as



since i never stated no such idiocies. But seeing as reading comprehension is lacking....



Gee I wonder why that COMMA is there after the first three words? Perhaps to insert a pause to clarify the sentence... nah can not be!

Toyota ENGINEERS designed the steering rack to be hydraulic assisted. What you decide to redneck rig your car is out of this forums focal point (and looping a system so it does no work is the very definition of redneck rigging)

My strength, again making assumptions makes an ass out of U and only U as it does not affect me in anyway.

GT4088? Really? That turbo size has to do with PS resevior interference how exactly? Let me guess. Wasn't designed correctly so now you have to hodge podge the layout to make it work? Not surprising.

maybe you should try reading correctly....

I said what the car has on it and without the p/s it would make everything easier to get to, but your FACTS say that it wouldnt make it any easier to get to...??

Only person thats looking like an ass, is the one that seen a thread he didnt know the answer to and decided to answer a question that was asked...

the ONLY fact that has been made is that power steering is easier than non power steering and has anybody argued that?? lol

 

[supraman502]

my wife -man i gotta get used to that- has no powersteering because i gave her the supra that way.. she handles it just fine parking and going.. BUT like he said, when you lose control you WONT get it back with fighting the kind of force it will take to turn the wheel, BUT i loved not having it.. especially on the mountain roads.. i feel so much more in control.. but thats just me.

I did what rennat did, i welded it and it works just fine.

on another supra i had, i didn't remove anything aside the power steering belt... then when i got time down the road i took everything else out.

erm just thought about it.. i think ill be putting PS back on my girls car.. i dont want her losing traction and not being able to get it back

very good point, if this was a car my wife drove theres no way I would let it go without p/s nor be as highly modded for that matter.

Dont feel bad, I've been married for 4yrs and still feels weird saying "wife"

 

[Nomad707]

haha.. i catch myself saying "girlfriend" sometimes and i gotta ninja-edit.\

She can manage it, its just the thought of her being able to regain control that scares me... so i will definately be changing the PS this winter.

 

[figgie]

Only person thats looking like an ass, is the one that seen a thread he didnt know the answer to and decided to answer a question that was asked..

Thinly vieled and (weak at that) attempt at a retort.

But since you insist.

The MKIII power steering pumps nominal pressure is 1250 lbs/in^2. What this means is that the pump is flowing a horrendous amount of fluid through the power steering system.

An ingenious "fix" such as the one you are contemplating by looping the high pressure side to the low pressure of the power steering pump is FUCKING STUPID and shows how much thought process went into such an idiotic "fix". A better "rig" would be to unhook the power steering belt from the PS pump and cap the ports for dirt but no. That is above your level of fix.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[supraman502]

haha.. i catch myself saying "girlfriend" sometimes and i gotta ninja-edit.\

She can manage it, its just the thought of her being able to regain control that scares me... so i will definately be changing the PS this winter.

yeah, qucik way to be sleeping on the couch lol

exactly, I wouldnt want that to be a factor of avoiding a accident

But a car that gets drivin to hang out at a meet or taken out just to race, I'd rather have my motor easier to work on, less leaks ( I've replaced everything atleast once)

 

[supraman502]

Thinly vieled and (weak at that) attempt at a retort.

But since you insist.

The MKIII power steering pumps nominal pressure is 1250 lbs/in^2. What this means is that the pump is flowing a horrendous amount of fluid through the power steering system.

An ingenious "fix" such as the one you are contemplating by looping the high pressure side to the low pressure of the power steering pump is FUCKING STUPID and shows how much thought process went into such an idiotic "fix". A better "rig" would be to unhook the power steering belt from the PS pump and cap the ports for dirt but no. That is above your level of fix.

Is that clear enough for you?

again, opinion that its idiotic
its even funnier that its so idiotic and one of the best 7m builders on this site and the current holder of the most power stock internal 7m turned me onto the idea and has been doing it for years lol He just gave me a vague answer to my question and was looking for something more specific.

 

[figgie]

But a car that gets drivin to hang out at a meet or taken out just to race, I'd rather have my motor easier to work on, less leaks ( I've replaced everything atleast once)

Then leave it at that.....

disconnect power steering belt. Cap the intake and pressure port. Done. Save yourself from buying a hose.

Looping it on an active PS pump.. destroy it in short order resulting in a lock up and the belt slipping causing temp rise on the ps pump pulley, belt and crank damper.

 

[supraman502]

Then leave it at that.....

disconnect power steering belt. Cap the intake and pressure port. Done. Save yourself from buying a hose.

Looping it on an active PS pump.. destroy it in short order resulting in a lock up and the belt slipping causing temp rise on the ps pump pulley, belt and crank damper.

I'm not looping it on an active p/s pump
removing the p/s pump, res, belt, hoses, then looping the inlet / outlet on the rack so the fluid sealed inside the rack has somewhere to move to when turning

 

[figgie]

I'm not looping it on an active p/s pump
removing the p/s pump, res, belt, hoses, then looping the inlet / outlet on the rack so the fluid sealed inside the rack has somewhere to move to when turning

don't want to do that either hence the initial statement. The rack has no "sealed" fluid.

http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?Section=SR&P=36

A disconencted system, turn fully one way and the other to evacuate fluid within the steering rack then route the ports from one to the other or leave open to atmosphere.

Looping back will not help in steering anymore than if it was open to air.

 

[supraman502]

don't want to do that either hence the initial statement. The rack has no "sealed" fluid.

http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?Section=SR&P=36

A disconencted system, turn fully one way and the other to evacuate fluid within the steering rack then route the ports from one to the other or leave open to atmosphere.

Looping back will not help in steering anymore than if it was open to air.

thats what I said, loop the inlet and outlet or does something different need to be looped, I think you just completely lost me.

But open to the air, after a couple turns all the fluid in the rack will come out....right?

 

[figgie]

thats what I said, loop the inlet and outlet or does something different need to be looped, I think you just completely lost me.

But open to the air, after a couple turns all the fluid in the rack will come out....right?

yep

i have a filthy filthy FILTHY ps rack to show that too..

 

[supraman502]

from the pic on sr-37, it looks like a VERY small amount of fluid is moved around during turning

 

[dumbo]

wow thats is some funny argument you guys got going


i'd personaly disconnect the lines then turn your wheel a few times or completely to bleed most of the oil out, then loop them, they would still have lubrication, there is NO way youd "waste" engery compressing oil even a slight bit, air is easier to move, and no conamintents would get it, so you could hook it up later if you didn't like it.