Having issues pulling r154

skim1040

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I've searched through just about every thread related to changing the clutch and removing the tranny. But I still have had no success in getting the tranny off the motor.

First of, how many bolts are on the bell housing? I have 4 off so far...
I have found a 5th bolt way up on the top on the passenger side but cant get to it. So I have the tranny brace in the back near the Driveshaft (which is out) un-bolted and the tranny supported on a jack. I have also loosened the motor mounts in an attempt to get the motor to rock back a bit, supposedly giving me access to these bolts?! but how, I still don't see/feel any bolts...:1zhelp:
 

Setheroo

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That top bolt is really only there to be a pita. You can get it out fairly easy if you have a broken wrench to get up there with. Some people use super long extensions but I am not fortunate to have anything long enough.. I always done it the broken wrench way. There are only 4 bolts that thread into the engine... sooooo your almost there!
 

james_9876

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Hehe... yousa gonna have some fun :evil2:

Okay first off, congrats on doing it yourself. ^.^

Uh, start with pulling the inspection plate off the bottom of the bell housing, take the trans to motor brackets off (there are 2, one on each side.) Then the four MAIN bolts that hold the trans to the block. There are two at the very top ( I could get it from the top with a wrench, course the head was off so it may be a little harder with intake and turbo in the way) and one on each side.

You got the bolts out? Wonderful... then the fun starts.

FIND A FLAT-HEAD SCREW DRIVER THAT'S RIDICULOUSLY LONG. and skinny perferably.

The black cover plates on the sides of the transmission need to come off now. You see the clutch fork? Yep, that needs to come off. On the bottom of the pin, that the fork rotates on, there is a small E-Clip... basically you go in from the passenger side with the screwdriver, shine the light in from the driver side and pop off the E-clip.

Got it? Good.

Then push the pin out of the fork and pull the fork out through the driver side, or leave it in.

There you go, pulling R154 101.

Thanks for reading!!
 

flubyux2

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there are cast iron brackets that bolt to the bottom left and bottom right sides of the trans bell housing. these bolts go in from the MOTOR side. they thread INTO the bell housing as opposed to the rest of the trans bolts that thread into the Block itself.

there are 4 total on the bottom, in these 2 cast iron brackets.

there are six bolts that hold the pressure plate to the flywheel.

there are 2 that hold the starter to the tranny

there are 4 other bolts that hold the tranny to the block itself.
 

Poodles

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james: you don't have to pull the pin out of the shifter fork, just yank on the fork and it comes out

You'll need a good 3' long worth of extensions with a 14mm and a swivel. Feed it up past the shifter from the back (get on top of the tranny pretty much) and get your hand in ther to guide it to the top two bolts...

These bolts should be done first, put the two side ones back in so the tranny doesn't fall on you by accident.

Tranny needs to hang, don't loosen the motor mounts, there is PLENTY of play to get the tranny to hang down...

(just went through this less than a week ago, BUY A TRANNY JACK! Harbour Freight has em pretty cheap and it makes it loads easier, you just gotta get the car up high enough)
 

pimptrizkit

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i usualy pull the motor, but i have dropped trannies in these cars before it's not to redicuolsy hard.
drain your oil out of the tranny to keep it from leaking every where, it doesn't smell good and stains concret even better.

first, you need some basic tools:


4-5 6inch 3/8 extensions
10,12,14 ,17 and A 19mm sockets
3.5 qourts! tranny gear oil.
good time to change your oil too!

air tools always work good~!

i usualy use the 19mm last while puttin the drive shaft back in,

alright to start you want to drop the drive shaft so you can actualy move the tranny back when you have it loose, there are 2 bolts for the center carrer that need to come out, becareful there is dust and road grim, also there are TWO washers one for each bolt that must go on the top side of the center bearing to help get the angle correct.

there is a brace bar or a saftey bar located a little bit more ot the rear from the center bearing, pull one bolt and loosen the other, to move it down out of the way,

now you can move the center bearing and get the drive shaft to slide and drop out of the tranny,

remove 4 bolts on the tranny brace, there is a key to doing this, loosen them all, then pull them out in a pattern, and make a couple passes, this way you dont yank the threads on the last bolt when it drops the last inch.
yes you read right, i do this with out a tranny support up to when i have the top two bolts out.

the long extenstions if you slide them on either side of the shifter or tail housing, you can almost hit them with out an extra hand. having air tools here rocks!

after the top 2 are out, i pull the ground staps off, being i dont want to remember these last second, i also pull of the bolt that anchors therubber line for the clutch slave, with the rubber line loose you should be able to manouver the line enough to fit a 12mm socket in and get the bottom bolt out, then pull the top,

once the clutch slave is out, pull the inspection plate on the slave side, and pull the clutch fork towards the back of the car, releasing the fork from the lock, and pull towards the ground in the angle the fork points, it should pop right out, if it doesn't yank on it or tug!
for instalation just reverse this step! but make sure it pivots and works before road testing.


now with the tranny hanging, and the top two bolts out and every thing else out of the way, you still have the shifter to pull out using a 10mm to pull the shift boot and dust/noise boot, you may also need a phillips skrew driver to pull the dash/consol out. one skrew on the dash by the ignition ,bottom side.,

and another infront of the driver side on the driver side of the console. you will also have a few in the ashtray 4, then the rest is held in with snaps.

make sure the tranny is jacked and secure at this point cause it moves fast.


now below the car again, loosin the tranny wings 2 bolts on each side of the engine block, dont remove these bolts just loosen so the wings will adjust when you remove and install the tranny again,

the 4 bolts on the bottom of the tranny that go to the wings remove them now,

and you have one more on the exhaust side about the same height as the one holding the rubber clutch line on, also coming in from the same side'


now give the tranny a good jiggle and tug pull and you should be able to slide it out of the piliot bearing and down off the motor,


now you have your clutch still on the engine

six 12mm bolts and then use a skrew driver to help pry the clutch cover off the locating pins,

a 17mm is used to remove the flywheel bolts, x6, i belive torque is 54ftlbs on them.

if your clutch kit comes with a clutch tool you can put it back together by bolt the clutch on to the back of the engine and then luggin the tranny back on there,

if it doesn't put the new clutch cover with the hub and bearing in it, into the tranny first, then insert the clutch disk onto the input shaft spring side toward the clutch pressure plate, and push them as far back as they would go, doing it this way, right now is the best time to put the fork back in, by sliddin it in the same way it came out pulling it so it's tip is closest to the slave hole.


when the tranny is bolted on, and you need to bolt the clutch cover/pressure plate to the flywheel, do so in steps or a pattern, so it doesn't get stuck or angled onto the pins,

if you have balencing marks from your machine shop, it's time to line those up,

i usualy put one bolt in each whole get them threaded and work my way around skipping a bolt and every third bolt i changed rotation,
i belive the torque on these are low like 12-15ftlbs.



when you have the tranny back in the car, tack the drive shaft and get the center bearing low and put the shaft onto the tail of the tranny, if it is hard to go on this is where the 19 comes into play, have some one turn the motor around whitch will work the out put shaft of the tranny even in neutral, if you have bad problems with doing this, try puttin it in gear,
and if you have problems gettin good angles, you can drop the tranny cross brace and gain more angle room.
 

Poodles

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if you can grab a driveshaft form the junkyard and take the yoke off of it, it makes a great plug for the driveshaft...

makes dropping the tranny easy as you don't have to drain the oil (especially when it's expensive redline with few miles on it)
 

GrimJack

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Yup, they are usually really damn tight.

Try a 14mm box end wrench from the top, and grease up your arm so you can get in close enough. If you can just get them to break loose, you can get them the rest of the way from underneath with a 14mm socket and a bunch of extensions.
 

skim1040

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I take that back, it was the throw-out bearing, but I now have the correct one, but can now not get the f#$%#ing pilot bearing out.

I've tried a puller, and the grease/mallet trick...nothing is working. any ideas?

I would say that I should just leave it in there because it still seemed to be good, but I'm afraid now that i have 2lbs of grease behind it that I will never get out until I get the bearing out...

So, after 4 days of this damn clutch project and nothing going right, i'm out of ideas, and motivation...fed up

anyone have any tips? I need them
 

bountykilla0118

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u need a puller with 3 prongs that kinda look like 3 hooks that u turn with a socket wrench the one i used was a 17 or some air tool(last resort)

as you turn it .... the prongs will self tighten and begin to back out the pilot bearing.
 

GrimJack

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I've never bothered to change the pilot bearing. It was obviously still ok the last time I dropped the tranny, and it's a PITA to deal with, so why bother? Extra grease back there isn't going to hurt anything... is there any play in it? Is it rough when you turn it?
 

p5150

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I always change it if in doubt or when I dont know if/when it has been changed.

The easiest way to get out a pilot bearing is by packing the back of it with grease through the center hole. Get an object just a bit smaller than the pilot bearing center hole like a metal dowel, bolt, punch, 1/4 " drive extension, etc and put it in the hole. Tap it with a hammer.

You may have to put more grease in each time it moves a bit but it will come right out. Hydraulics man.