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fstlane88

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Beat you too it...

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56712

However, Kimi is not out of the water yet, as expected there has to be some kind of drama afterwards that could hand the title over to Hamilton. Links below to see what I'm talking about...

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7023.html

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7032.html

I'm still in "Are you fucking serious" mode about this, I mean c'mon FUEL TEMPERATURES!!!! You are going to consider overturning the Championship to a rookie of a cheating team, over FUEL TEMPS. AARRRGGGHHH!!!!!:icon_mad: :3d_frown:
 

TRACKMKIII

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Oh crap sorry for the repost!! i feel the same way about about them trying to overturn the title!! I think it is absolutely crazy for Mclaren to try this after being caught with illegal information earlier this week!!
 

supramad77

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Thing is though mclaren have been very heavily punished for there crime if there was even a crime commited. So lets look at it a different way, if mclaren did this they would have been thrown out of the race for sure so why can three other teams cheat and get away with it. They had colder fuel so it makes the car run slightly faster. This surly is an advantage.
 

DonS1mpson

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^^ Even if the FIA had punished the cars with the colder fuel, it would be only fair that constructors points were taken away, not driver ones.

When Mclaren "cheated", only the constructors points were stripped. In an effort of "fairness", chances are the FIA would follow the same punish the team, not the driver policy.

Gutted Hamilton didn't win though, He's been living my dream down to the T, shame he couldn't just finish the fantasy off though. :)
 

fstlane88

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supramad77 said:
Thing is though mclaren have been very heavily punished for there crime if there was even a crime commited. So lets look at it a different way, if mclaren did this they would have been thrown out of the race for sure so why can three other teams cheat and get away with it. They had colder fuel so it makes the car run slightly faster. This surly is an advantage.


You make two good points but, the crime McLaren committed FAR outweighs the minor penalty that the BMW and Williams cars committed. McLaren basically had enough information they could have built and ran the exact same car as Ferrari's F2007, they also knew for some of the early season races Ferrari's pit strategy, De La Rosa (McLaren test driver), and Alonso exchanged E-mails discussing how they were going to use the Ferrari documents in testing and during races. There is no if about them committing a crime. The only crime Ron and the boys didn't commit was stealing the documents from Ferrari themselves.

As far as the fuel temperatures not being within 10* C of each other. Yes you're right there is an advantage there, colder fuel means denser means you can get more in the car, and it will create more power. But you have too look at how many variables are at play in the post race temp reading. The track temp during the race on Sunday was 145* F!!! Other variables such as where it was measured, was it shaded, in the sun, was there a breeze??

Also, as I just read on Ferrarichat.com the temps were measured in the tank, which is always chilled. The rules call for the temps to be measured at the nozzle, but there are no sensors for it, and it seems the actual difference in temps were closer to 4*C which doesn't make sense b/c the rules state there can be no more than a 10*C difference. :dunno:

Either way, like Don S1impson stated, it should be constructors points being removed as it wasn't the drivers who committed the foul. Hamiltons day will come, he showed he is very good, I would like to see how good though, by putting him with different team (Not going to happen since he is pretty much owned by Ron Dennis.) in a different car. I think the McLaren car was too good for him to start in, as was seen towards the end of the season when he started to make mistakes. I think he needs to be put in a car that isn't as close to perfect as the McLarens were. If that makes any sense.
 

supramad77

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I agree they won't punish the drivers. The season is over now and they can't go back and say Lewis is champ now. I have no doubt he will be champ as he is sensational. He has also said that he dose not want to win on a techinacality.