FFIM Question (DashPot and ISC)

[jimi87-t]

^^I don't understand what you are getting at QS. So by me using the stock ISC that was made and designed to work for our cars is cheap and not the right way to do it? My setup works perfectly (gauranteed), took a lot of work, I machined and welded it myself, I guess I'm cheap for knowing how to do that too, and not paying someone to do it. So I don't see your point, it had nothing to do with cost, I don't cheap out. I maybe reading it wrong but the way I'm reading it makes no sense.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

^^I don't understand what you are getting at QS. So by me using the stock ISC that was made and designed to work for our cars is cheap and not the right way to do it? My setup works perfectly (gauranteed), took a lot of work, I machined and welded it myself, I guess I'm cheap for knowing how to do that too, and not paying someone to do it. So I don't see your point, it had nothing to do with cost. I maybe reading it wrong but the way I'm reading it makes no sense.

No...the comment was that he was looking for a cheap way to do it so he can do awrite up, because the average Joe doesnt have the money to go with the fast system. The average Joe that appears to go cheap seems to always have problems after taking that cheap route, and most times end up blaming the car because of failure. I have read many post on cheap fixes that cost more than a good part that cost a few bucks more. You are taking yourself, and this post way out of context, because I never said anything about you being cheap. Also you put how many hours into fabbing that up yourself. The time it takes to do that cost money not to mention that the AVERAGE JOE has no access to welding equipment.Also I personally asked you in your former post to show how it was done. Don't take yourself so serious that if someone makes a general statement you are taking it personal when it is not directed at you at all. That's why you don't see my point. Not to mention everything I wrote is factual, reliable and cheap you cant have both.

 

[jimi87-t]

I was confused thinking you were comparing the stock to the Fast. I didn't take it as a personal hit, I used myself as an example of using the stock (and rambled on). But I totally agree with what you are getting at (now that I get it)

A new Isc is 60-100.00 and to get something fabbed must cost 50.00. The fast system cost 180.00 and will work gauranteed.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I was confused thinking you were comparing the stock to the Fast. I didn't take it as a personal hit, I used myself as an example of using the stock (and rambled on). But I totally agree with what you are getting at (now that I get it)

You are not the average Joe!:biglaugh: :naughty:

 

[catback]

reliable and cheap you cant have both.

i totally agree with you on this point ,, BUT
Why on earth you go out and spend $180 on this if all you have to do is cut out your flange out of your old mani. and weld it on to the new one.
plug it in, delete the coolant lines, and put a filter on it.

it makes no sense..

 

[boostadikt]

you dont need either... i am running map ecu, with no isc, no dashpot, no cold start injector, just manifold. runs great just idles an 1200, i also ran the same on a lex afm and safc, same situation.

 

[Inygknok]

No...the comment was that he was looking for a cheap way to do it so he can do awrite up, because the average Joe doesnt have the money to go with the fast system. The average Joe that appears to go cheap seems to always have problems after taking that cheap route, and most times end up blaming the car because of failure. I have read many post on cheap fixes that cost more than a good part that cost a few bucks more. You are taking yourself, and this post way out of context, because I never said anything about you being cheap. Also you put how many hours into fabbing that up yourself. The time it takes to do that cost money not to mention that the AVERAGE JOE has no access to welding equipment.Also I personally asked you in your former post to show how it was done. Don't take yourself so serious that if someone makes a general statement you are taking it personal when it is not directed at you at all. That's why you don't see my point. Not to mention everything I wrote is factual, reliable and cheap you cant have both.

I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I don't want to be "famous" for writing some sort of popular write up. In fact, it was about a week ago that I said that I would be posting what I was doing with my Supra just cuz I'm tired of my friends constantly asking, "So Noel, how's the Supra? When is it coming out?". So I'm putting a write up in the build thread so they can follow through with pictures and everything.


I'm not going with the "cheap way" as in, "There's no way in hell that I won't spend more than $5 (including taxes) in mods". So next time you feel like getting upset at someone and trying to comment against them, make sure you understand what the person is actually trying to say, okay?


Wow, first time I ever get upset at someone in SM!


Some of the guys that are fabbing FFIM's are doing just fine using the stock ISC, even if they are moving it around (still counts as "stock"). I would have sent them my intake if it wasn't so frustrating to keep having to pay so much in S&H from here in Puerto Rico. Instead, I'm having a fabricator here in PR do it for me, just need to get things straight for him . I'm sure he can figure it out all by himself, but he's going to be bound to charge me extra for that :biglaugh:


Also, who says the average Joe doesn't have access to welding equipment? I may not be the exact average Joe, what with close friends owning speed shops and all, but my "average Joe" friends just ask me to take them to the places and that's it. In fact, that ISC set up that was mentioned before, I'm sure I can get it done for $20, not $50. Not the first time I have asked for a favor of that small of a size. In fact, I have asked for "harder" things (since I don't even find it to be hard).


As for not using any of these things.... and idling at 1,200 RPMs..... I'm gonna have to go with QW on that one. 950-1,000 RPM's was my favorite range... though I would love it if I could get it to idle just fine at 850. 1,200 sounds a bit too high.


Hope everything is cleared up now! (I need a smiley face with thumbs up ffs!)

 

[figgie]

you dont need either... i am running map ecu, with no isc, no dashpot, no cold start injector, just manifold. runs great just idles an 1200, i also ran the same on a lex afm and safc, same situation.

1200 idle is running gerat?

<-- looks at my 650 idle to make sure.......

 

[tookwik4u89]

With the built auto, 1200 idle, I might chip a tooth putting it in gear.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

i totally agree with you on this point ,, BUT
Why on earth you go out and spend $180 on this if all you have to do is cut out your flange out of your old mani. and weld it on to the new one.
plug it in, delete the coolant lines, and put a filter on it.

it makes no sense..

The guy that did it f'd up and I am left in the lurch because he wanted a pretty nice piece, and tried to relocate the ISC. He didnt realize it needed the check valve also to be cut out of the Stock Mani. So now I must find a new solution. Also there are others in the same boat so I found a way to help every one in my boat. So....for all of those like myself, and this poster my thread has a solution. Jimi has a solution but when I pm him, and asked him he hadnt completely finished his yet. Soooo the fastest most time saving way to go I researched in my post and shred what I found. Big Arons post may be the best cost efffective way to go, but he must chime in and fill in the rest of that equation.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. I don't want to be "famous" for writing some sort of popular write up. In fact, it was about a week ago that I said that I would be posting what I was doing with my Supra just cuz I'm tired of my friends constantly asking, "So Noel, how's the Supra? When is it coming out?". So I'm putting a write up in the build thread so they can follow through with pictures and everything.


I'm not going with the "cheap way" as in, "There's no way in hell that I won't spend more than $5 (including taxes) in mods". So next time you feel like getting upset at someone and trying to comment against them, make sure you understand what the person is actually trying to say, okay? :

Clarify this because thats not what was said. So I moved it in the right direction based on your exact words!

Wow, first time I ever get upset at someone in SM!


Some of the guys that are fabbing FFIM's are doing just fine using the stock ISC, even if they are moving it around (still counts as "stock"). I would have sent them my intake if it wasn't so frustrating to keep having to pay so much in S&H from here in Puerto Rico. Instead, I'm having a fabricator here in PR do it for me, just need to get things straight for him . I'm sure he can figure it out all by himself, but he's going to be bound to charge me extra for that :biglaugh:


Also, who says the average Joe doesn't have access to welding equipment? I may not be the exact average Joe, what with close friends owning speed shops and all, but my "average Joe" friends just ask me to take them to the places and that's it. In fact, that ISC set up that was mentioned before, I'm sure I can get it done for $20, not $50. Not the first time I have asked for a favor of that small of a size. In fact, I have asked for "harder" things (since I don't even find it to be hard).


As for not using any of these things.... and idling at 1,200 RPMs..... I'm gonna have to go with QW on that one. 950-1,000 RPM's was my favorite range... though I would love it if I could get it to idle just fine at 850. 1,200 sounds a bit too high.


Hope everything is cleared up now! (I need a smiley face with thumbs up ffs!)

Not upset at all and thanks for setting me straight. You calling in favors still doesnt give the average Joe welding capeabilities no matter how you slice it. You had to spend money in the beginning to get to that point.To get what Big Aron suggest may be the best cost effective way to go including your favor calling that works.

Respectfully Speaking :biglaugh:
Anthony

 

[Inygknok]

Not upset at all and thanks for setting me straight. You calling in favors still doesnt give the average Joe welding capeabilities no matter how you slice it. You had to spend money in the beginning to get to that point.To get what Big Aron suggest may be the best cost effective way to go including your favor calling that works.

Respectfully Speaking :biglaugh:
Anthony

I wish this forum had one of those rep-point thingies other forums had. Just now, I was worried you would go on and stirr things up with an SF-type attitude. I am sorry I was just contemplating even a 1,000 word (or more) essay on how to reply, my apologies on that :nono:


And true, the average Joe wouldn't have the welding capabilities to do something as simple as Aron's suggestion, like me for instance. Though, it'd be a great opportunity to start learning a bit (I know I'm going to take advantage of it). If we screw up... heh, what the heck. We'll let the pro fix it :biglaugh:


Yet, I would love to buy another MK3 in a few years, and I just might try out the fast idea you mentioned us. Just that this time around, I want to go with the "simple" method. That's why I'm even just going to mod the stock manifold to turn it into an FFIM instead of just ordering a full blown custom one. Here in PR there are various MK3's, a few even pretty damn fast. One owned by the guy we call Fito Hiper, with a black MK3 that runs 9.4's last time I checked (think he even has managed 9.2's). Full interiors and everything. Still, EXTREMELY few of them have any mods that make them outstand from the rest, and I would like to introduce new ideas to the community locally by borrowing and maybe even modifying some of the ideas from everyone else around the world.


Heck, still only seen one actual picture of an MK3 with ANY type of side exhaust. Which reminds me...... I need to pick up photoshop so I can get to editing the pictures and see what I manage to come up with!


Anyhow, thanks for showing a true SM and christmas spirit QW . Glad I made the right choice in joining SM and forgetting SF even exists :naughty:

 

[boostadikt]

1200 idle is running gerat?

<-- looks at my 650 idle to make sure.......

yes it can idle lower but 1000 is what it prefers in the summer and 1200 in the winter, as i stated i have no isc. and 1000 rpm's IS great i have no problems and when i hit the gas i have imediate power, no throttle lag, btw i am Manual

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

I wish this forum had one of those rep-point thingies other forums had. Just now, I was worried you would go on and stirr things up with an SF-type attitude. I am sorry I was just contemplating even a 1,000 word (or more) essay on how to reply, my apologies on that :nono:


And true, the average Joe wouldn't have the welding capabilities to do something as simple as Aron's suggestion, like me for instance. Though, it'd be a great opportunity to start learning a bit (I know I'm going to take advantage of it). If we screw up... heh, what the heck. We'll let the pro fix it :biglaugh:


Yet, I would love to buy another MK3 in a few years, and I just might try out the fast idea you mentioned us. Just that this time around, I want to go with the "simple" method. That's why I'm even just going to mod the stock manifold to turn it into an FFIM instead of just ordering a full blown custom one. Here in PR there are various MK3's, a few even pretty damn fast. One owned by the guy we call Fito Hiper, with a black MK3 that runs 9.4's last time I checked (think he even has managed 9.2's). Full interiors and everything. Still, EXTREMELY few of them have any mods that make them outstand from the rest, and I would like to introduce new ideas to the community locally by borrowing and maybe even modifying some of the ideas from everyone else around the world.


Heck, still only seen one actual picture of an MK3 with ANY type of side exhaust. Which reminds me...... I need to pick up photoshop so I can get to editing the pictures and see what I manage to come up with!


Anyhow, thanks for showing a true SM and christmas spirit QW . Glad I made the right choice in joining SM and forgetting SF even exists :naughty:

Is one owned by Maeso?

 

[Inygknok]

Is one owned by Maeso?

Maeso? Name doesn't ring a bell..... I might know him by another name though?

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Maeso? Name doesn't ring a bell..... I might know him by another name though?

Thats the name he uses on S/Fwith a 1j 9 second 7m gutted

 

[figgie]

yes it can idle lower but 1000 is what it prefers in the summer and 1200 in the winter, as i stated i have no isc. and 1000 rpm's IS great i have no problems and when i hit the gas i have imediate power, no throttle lag, btw i am Manual

what are you running injector wise that needs such a high idle?

880 cc/min here at 650 rpm here being fed by a weldon 2345 fuel pump.

 

[Inygknok]

Thats the name he uses on S/Fwith a 1j 9 second 7m gutted

Might actually be him. Asking in the local forums right now. Could have sworn he was packing a 7M if it's "Fito". Thing is, I just don't know of anyone else in PR that actually does that specific time range with an MK3 chassis. Unless there's someone that hasn't been recorded..... (and us Puerto Ricans have to know everything, so that's impossible).

 

[boostadikt]

what are you running injector wise that needs such a high idle?

880 cc/min here at 650 rpm here being fed by a weldon 2345 fuel pump.

i am running 550's currently, it is not the fuel that is restricting my idle it is my lack of an isc, all other cars i have seen without an isc on an ffim have been the same way. the car barely runs under 1000 rpm and if you turn the idle screw all the way down it will bog for a minute and usually return to the 1000 range.

are you running an FFIM with those 880's? and do you have an ISC or a standalone? if the answer is no to both parts of question 2 then i might have something to learn.

 

[QWIKSTRIKE]

Might actually be him. Asking in the local forums right now. Could have sworn he was packing a 7M if it's "Fito". Thing is, I just don't know of anyone else in PR that actually does that specific time range with an MK3 chassis. Unless there's someone that hasn't been recorded..... (and us Puerto Ricans have to know everything, so that's impossible).

He also sells microtech EMS and other parts.