EMS: Stinger vs MegaSquirt vs AEM vs ?
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dejacky said:Thanks for the good discussion folks. How about Stinger EMS vs. Maft Pro? Pros & Cons?
Standalone vs. piggyback?
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dejacky said:
Where would anyone find a new AEM for 1200.00. You don't need sensors if you use the stock MAS. I was looking for a cheaper solution to purchase an after market ECU. I found that a group of companies make that solution.When I began to look at options offered and cost effectiveness I found the higher cost units were better suited. At first I was looking into the Microtech. It was a nice basic unit, but to make it work you needed to keep adding on cost for items needed. It comes with a 2 bar map, and to upgrade to a 3 bar or more map you had to send the unit in to have that changed if it wasnt ordered at the time of purchase. That cost up to 300.00 more to get done plus down time with the unit in transit. The bare basic unit was cheap but to get all of the features close to AEM cost more than an AEM. I was going to get a Wolf AEM unit but didnt know of a tuner close by so I decided on a haltech since my friends were running them in their 7ms. I finally found a wolf installer close by, and chose the wolf v500 which my car is geting ready for an install. I needed to get my LS2 coils mounted on a bracket, and then I am going to see if it's All that I think it is. The unit cost me 1735.00 shipped to my door in 4 days. That price includes a new wire harness, and a dash display that shows what the engine is doing in real time. It even can be programmed in real time from that display. It has more features than many of us will ever use including traction control. So don't just look at how cheap a unit is, but look at the features, and how it can be utilized in the future if more upgrades are needed. I also deicided on the Wolf AEM beacause if I decided that I wanted to go 2jz I dont have to sell it cheap to get another ECU.
This ECU will work on any application period! Not to mention it will work with your stock sensors if you so choose to keep them.http://wolfems.cart.net.au/details/721258.html
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How are your friends Haltech powered cars running and do you have any experience with the Halwinx tuning software?QWIKSTRIKE said:Where would anyone find a new AEM for 1200.00. You don't need sensors if you use the stock MAS. I was looking for a cheaper solution to purchase an after market ECU. I found that a group of companies make that solution.When I began to look at options offered and cost effectiveness I found the higher cost units were better suited. At first I was looking into the Microtech. It was a nice basic unit, but to make it work you needed to keep adding on cost for items needed. It comes with a 2 bar map, and to upgrade to a 3 bar or more map you had to send the unit in to have that changed if it wasnt ordered at the time of purchase. That cost up to 300.00 more to get done plus down time with the unit in transit. The bare basic unit was cheap but to get all of the features close to AEM cost more than an AEM. I was going to get a Wolf AEM unit but didnt know of a tuner close by so I decided on a haltech since my friends were running them in their 7ms. I finally found a wolf installer close by, and chose the wolf v500 which my car is geting ready for an install. I needed to get my LS2 coils mounted on a bracket, and then I am going to see if it's All that I think it is. The unit cost me 1735.00 shipped to my door in 4 days. That price includes a new wire harness, and a dash display that shows what the engine is doing in real time. It even can be programmed in real time from that display. It has more features than many of us will ever use including traction control. So don't just look at how cheap a unit is, but look at the features, and how it can be utilized in the future if more upgrades are needed. I also deicided on the Wolf AEM beacause if I decided that I wanted to go 2jz I dont have to sell it cheap to get another ECU.
http://wolfems.cart.net.au/details/721258.html
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Mild knocking can occur without causing any damage. It is a risk, and risks damage if not corrected right away, so I feel that knock-sensing is a good last line of defense.figgie said:the notion of "knock" sensing is just as silly as a "rod bending" detection, "hole in the piston" detection or the best one I can think of, "Car Crash" detection. Sure as hell not a fail safe when the event MUST occur in order for the detection to take place. Amusing to say the least
The E-11 v2 is a very good EMS at a very reasonable price. they also just came out with the new software and firmware upgrade which now has vvti controll, autotune and more. between me and my friends we have just about every haltech ecu around and they all are running great. Haltech is also currently working on a new line of ECU's. For a supra I would at least run an E8, the E6X is a good ecu but for just a little extra coin the E8 has more features and better software.QWIKSTRIKE said:
What do you think of the Haltech E6GMX? It seems like it has everything I need and HalwinX software seems simpler to tune compared to Halwin for e11v2. Also, is there anyway to create a connector so the haltech can plug into the stock harness (1jz, 2jz, etc)?SD2JZA70 said:
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dejacky said:
you want the e6x the e6gmx is fora specific gm car. They have a harness you can buy also
these guys sell the plug and play harness for the 7M to the E6X or the E-11dejacky said:
http://www.wbdautomotive.com/jem_plug_and_play_adaptors.htm
and these guys sell the plug and play harness for the 2JZGTE and 2JZGE
http://www.k2rd.com/haltech/plugin/
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I found my ems decision is going to be
wolfV500 with display for $1.735 i will go that route if anyone got a 1jz running with it.
if it is compatable with 1jz sensors and you dont need extra trigger wheels and sensors etc.
my second pick for this is AΣM stinger Stinger 4424
second because wolf looks like it haves more inputs outputs and wolf comes with a display optionaly and the stinger doesnt have knock sensing part of it.
wolfV500 with display for $1.735 i will go that route if anyone got a 1jz running with it.
if it is compatable with 1jz sensors and you dont need extra trigger wheels and sensors etc.
my second pick for this is AΣM stinger Stinger 4424
second because wolf looks like it haves more inputs outputs and wolf comes with a display optionaly and the stinger doesnt have knock sensing part of it.
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i will always push the AEM simply because i don't want to reinvent the wheel... SP / Titan/ WOTM/ BL yada yada... all have experiance with not only the supra but the AEM and have thousands of hours of tuning on them.
How many have they had on the wolf, stinger ect...
I don't want to pay them while they learn on my car... I will pay them for a tune....
How many have they had on the wolf, stinger ect...
I don't want to pay them while they learn on my car... I will pay them for a tune....
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Evilempire1.3JZ-GTE said:
Dew511 here in NYC is running a Wolf unit and display on a 1j.
he's on supraforums.
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I got my ECU i will be running with WOLF V500 with display
Verry good ecu the only better one is motec.
I would say the wolf ECU v500 is in second place with motect in the lead!
Any good tuner can tune the wolf ECU it is better easier and more flexible you compair to other ecus and you do the same thing but they have less tunning points and are less powerfull but it all depends on what you want to spend and what you want out of your ECU.
Verry good ecu the only better one is motec.
I would say the wolf ECU v500 is in second place with motect in the lead!
Any good tuner can tune the wolf ECU it is better easier and more flexible you compair to other ecus and you do the same thing but they have less tunning points and are less powerfull but it all depends on what you want to spend and what you want out of your ECU.