Do you run more oil then 4 quarts in your supra?

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88crxsi

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When I put 4 quarts of oil in it doesn't read full on the dipstick. It only reads about half. Im also wondering if its the crappy wire dipstick though because its a little bent and not completely straight. I never had a turbo car before and figured maybe the oil is being used more because of the turbo.
 

smagnotta

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Add another 1/2 quart and see if it goes up. I put 5 quarts in mine.

Check under the car to see if you have a leak or put a sheet of flat cardboard under there and check it in the morning.
 

xride63

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yes, my car is without a owners manuel and ive been wondering this for a long time ebcause in about another 1000 miles im going to replace the oil.. how much is the motor supposed to hold? i don't want to put too much oil in because that will ruin the HG. i hate to guess or use the dip stick because im not sure how accurate that is.. anyone know how manny quarts for a 7mgte?
 

americanjebus

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i run an even 5 ,

everyone is probably looking at me thinking "that poor little idgit is gonna get rodknock"

but hey i dont burn oil and dipstick reads full and its still a bit more than tsrm and i change every 3k if not 2k miles. i am pretty anal on that.
 
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MisterTurbineTwister

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I had been in a discussion with American Jebus about this a while back and I about got my head ripped off by some other people on the subject.

Here is what you should be looking at for reference on a car with NO modifications made that increase oil capacity:

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Also understand that the DRY FILL and REFILL numbers are NOT the same!

Dry fill refers to filling a truely dry engine (newly assembled or reassembled engine with NO previous oil run through it after assembed)

Refill refers to a true refill (an engine that has had oil run through it after assembly or reassembly)

Oil does stay in the engine attached to parts of the motor, the walls of the pan and passages in the block, the rods,inside bearing grooves, inside the cam housing of the head, etc. and (weather you believe it or not) it does accumulate to the difference in dry fill and refill capacity amount numbers.

Do not use any amount of oil over the factory recommendation on a refill unless you have somehow modified the oil capacity of the engine and CAN AND DO DRAIN THE ADDED EXTRA AMOUNT OF OIL OUT at the time of a change. This means that if you are running a larger capacity oil pan or a custom oil cooler of some sort, you MUST drain the oil from the cooler lines, the cooler and of course the pan if you plan on refilling the engine with the additional custom oil amount.

You do not have to drain the added amount of oil out of a cooler or the lines at a change, but know that the added oil capacity that remains in the cooler and lines once the rest of the oil has been drained is not to be added back in upon refill.

This actually doesn't affect your oil fill level on the dipstick because ANY additional oil in a custom capacity situation (coolers, accumulator or custom pan) should never fill the oil past the full level marked on the dip stick.

If you overfill an oil pan, you risk having the oil make additional unwanted contact with the crank shaft (known as windage) on acceleration, cornering and braking when the oil moves within the pan. This causes the crankshaft to whip air into the oil contacting the crankshaft and foaming occurs. The problem does NOT occur at idle when the oil is level. It happens when the vehicle is in motion and windage actually occurs even a small amount with the factory recommended refill amount/level.

In all honesty, the lower your fill level is, the lesser chances you have of creating windage in your crank case. The only way you can decrease oil level and keep or increase capacity is to run a custom oil pan and or some other form of oil accumulator tank or cooler. Running a deeper pan is usually not a good idea on a street car because of ground clearance issues, but there are other ways around it.

What ever you do, do NOT over fill your pan for any capacative reasons. The additional oil capacity is NOT worth the raised amount of level and windage. Although oil does get consumed between changes (even in perfect conditions) you should only add additional oil WHEN IT'S NEEDED and not retro-actively before the consumption has occured. It will only aid in oil consumption by overfilling the level.

I do agree that more capacity is better, especially on a turbocharged engine, but you do NOT simply add more oil to prevent a potential starvation problem. Modify your oil capacity the right way or leave as close to the recommended factory full level. If you need more capacity for your turbo's needs, you should modify your oiling system and capacity accordingly and correctly.

When it comes to an unmodified system on a vehicle, I will not argue the recommendations made by the engineers that designed the system.

These are my reasons for being with American Jebus 100% on the subject.
 
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88crxsi

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Thanks guys I thought it was odd. Just got the oil changed in it a week ago and its already at half. I know its not burning oil and there is no leak. No leaks anywhere on my driveway. I figured it took a little more oil then 4 quarts and the place I go to just puts 4 quarts in. Next time I wont be lazy and do it myself. Appreciate the info guys.
 
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MisterTurbineTwister

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Also, just for your info, man, use 15w40 oil unless you are running a bigger turbo and/ or are regularly running in 72 degree or hotter weather ALL of the time... Then you can step up to 20W50, but ONLY IF YOU NEED IT! I had some problems with it creating heavy deposits in my filter (could have been a bad filter too) but I went back to 15W40 and have not had any problems and my Oil pressure gauge went up higher when I went AWAY from 20W50 oil to 15W40.

15W40 oil is not right for ALL 7M engines, but it's the factory recommended weight for stock engines.

What ever you do, do NOT run anything with LESS viscosity numbers than 15W40. 10W40 can be used if you are regularly driving in 32 degrees or colder weather, but 15W40 is good for anything from a little below zero to 100 degrees F and is good for a stock engine.

Personally, if I were in your shoes, I would change your oil with 5 quarts of 15W40 right away in fear that those guys didn't use the correct, heavyer oil viscosity numbers (in case they used 10W30) in your change and for peace of mind.
 

xride63

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i see.. all of this has been enlightening and now i am prepared to change my oils.. put in about 5 1/2 quarts and see what that does for me and i f i need to top it off at about 6 quarts. if all of you people are running 6 for the most part it must be working. thanks for responding even know its not my thread its helped many viewrs im sure
 

gixxer750

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I run 6 quarts in my supra and will continue to do so. I agree with IJ in some of his other posts. I measured the oil pan depth and then measured with 5 quarts of water in it. I then remeasured with 6 quarts in the pan. It only raises the level a small amount. I don't believe that this would contribute to a much greater amount of windage. If you feel that strongly about it, a crank scraper would be the way to go.
 

siman

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I have been running dyno (non synthetic) Pennzoil 20w-50 ever since I rebuilt my motor 8K miles ago ( 153K-162=9K actually LOL).....I consistantly see 55-60 lbs on the oil gauge...idle around 15-20psi ( the hash below 40).....

I am CONSIDERING going with a synthetic Amsoi or Valvoline 20W-50 or even a 15w-40......but I thought the thinner weights would loose some pressure...according to
MisterTurbineTwister
he gained oil pressure? How is that?

How are the turbo oil seals in the CT26? Would they withstand the change from full dyno oil to synthetic if they are 60K old seals? I know my valve stem seals dont leak....but the turbo seals are the only ones keeping me from changing to full synth. I am scared the detergents in full synthetic will eat away the "build up" seals from the non synth. and cause a oil leak.....


what do you guys think about that?

-Jonathan