we should give him a call
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maybe Im just naive but I dont see how people can suspect the shop owners of being involved from the start. Lacking in vision and common busines sense I can believe. Downright dirty dealing take everyone for a ride underhanded? I dont buy it. Not to mention if thats the case then they are all fantastic actors. If you read the actual thread and the posts between the parties involved I dont see how you can POSSIBLY believe that those threats and replies are anything but genuine.
Not to mention, who would have been the mastermind behind it to get this kid that already has a record of scamming involved just to add legitimacy to the claim. And if you were the kid would you want this kind of backlash for a scam to help out the shop? I mean what does he get in the end besides a ruined reputation? No, anyone who thinks the shop and the kid are in on it from the start are just not using their brains.
I think the shop was foolish, but not the crooks here.
Not to mention, who would have been the mastermind behind it to get this kid that already has a record of scamming involved just to add legitimacy to the claim. And if you were the kid would you want this kind of backlash for a scam to help out the shop? I mean what does he get in the end besides a ruined reputation? No, anyone who thinks the shop and the kid are in on it from the start are just not using their brains.
I think the shop was foolish, but not the crooks here.
I hope I am wrong and I admire that the community is helping and standing behind the shop owners. Neighbors helping Neighbors. Celica boy should be punished. Still, there all all kinds people out there. It can't hurt to be a little skeptical.
either something isnt right or the shop is retarded, nothing in writing, just putting "trust" into this supposed customer and assuming they would pay.
OK I read the last 20 pages or so that were posted today while I was working and I have to say the following:
Someone posted that the kid ripped them off for $16k and I got to thinking...no he didnt. He doesnt have the car in his possession, they do. They ripped themselves off. If they were stupid enough to perform $16k worth of work, knowing they were risking their business and lives on a 20yo kids promise to pay and this went on for 4.5 months...then quite honestly they deserve to lose thier business.
So now they are taking donations to keep food on the table and the doors open to the business? Holy shit, how lame is that? I mean, if they had lost money through NO FAULT of their own, like maybe someone set the business on fire or someone broke in and stole $16k worth of parts and equipment then MAYBE I could see donating to thier cause. This isnt the case.
They took in the car, got a small payment for work, then LET the job balloon out of control and have villified the car owner as the root cause of thier problem. The root cause of the problem is they are bad business owners and the people donating to thier cause are suckers.
I know thats harsh, and I know its probably not the popular opinion, its really no different than survival of the fittest. Then again, I had a couple beers tonight and I tend to be pretty harsh on those rare occasions I do.
Someone posted that the kid ripped them off for $16k and I got to thinking...no he didnt. He doesnt have the car in his possession, they do. They ripped themselves off. If they were stupid enough to perform $16k worth of work, knowing they were risking their business and lives on a 20yo kids promise to pay and this went on for 4.5 months...then quite honestly they deserve to lose thier business.
So now they are taking donations to keep food on the table and the doors open to the business? Holy shit, how lame is that? I mean, if they had lost money through NO FAULT of their own, like maybe someone set the business on fire or someone broke in and stole $16k worth of parts and equipment then MAYBE I could see donating to thier cause. This isnt the case.
They took in the car, got a small payment for work, then LET the job balloon out of control and have villified the car owner as the root cause of thier problem. The root cause of the problem is they are bad business owners and the people donating to thier cause are suckers.
I know thats harsh, and I know its probably not the popular opinion, its really no different than survival of the fittest. Then again, I had a couple beers tonight and I tend to be pretty harsh on those rare occasions I do.
I agree, if they let their business and livelihood all ride on this 1 car then they had no hope ever running a business. How do you work on a car full time for 4 1/2 months expecting to bill 50-100bucks an hour as suggested, without a signed worked order or partial payment?
If this kid has such a horrible track record and a paper trail a mile long like everyone is saying, whyd they let him in the door? Im not defending the kid at all, but from what Ive read they both are stupid.
It would be like someone going to Driftmotion dropping off a car and new motor saying swap this in. Then a few weeks later dropping off a brake kit, then whatever other parts over 4 1/2 months. Would driftmotion keep doing all the work while adding up 16k worth of labor banking on that bill to keep the shop alive. All the while without any money or signed work order or even discussion of project price in 4 1/2 months?
The kids mother said she though he had sponsors, maybe he thought the shop was his sponsor doing the labor free? If someone doesnt hand him a bill for labor and keeps adding the parts he brings them whats he to think?
If this kid has such a horrible track record and a paper trail a mile long like everyone is saying, whyd they let him in the door? Im not defending the kid at all, but from what Ive read they both are stupid.
It would be like someone going to Driftmotion dropping off a car and new motor saying swap this in. Then a few weeks later dropping off a brake kit, then whatever other parts over 4 1/2 months. Would driftmotion keep doing all the work while adding up 16k worth of labor banking on that bill to keep the shop alive. All the while without any money or signed work order or even discussion of project price in 4 1/2 months?
The kids mother said she though he had sponsors, maybe he thought the shop was his sponsor doing the labor free? If someone doesnt hand him a bill for labor and keeps adding the parts he brings them whats he to think?
(an extreme example, but still)
so your saying if i took my car to driftmotion, and had a FULL ON built 2jz ready for over 1000HP+ dropped into my car along with a glide and a custom rear end, and then i showed up one day saying that "oh i never signed anything"... you would serisouly want driftmotion to close its doors?... didnt think so.
the shop went out on a leg to get there name out, as a shop you have to take risks, which is why shops make race cars and show cars....
so your saying if i took my car to driftmotion, and had a FULL ON built 2jz ready for over 1000HP+ dropped into my car along with a glide and a custom rear end, and then i showed up one day saying that "oh i never signed anything"... you would serisouly want driftmotion to close its doors?... didnt think so.
the shop went out on a leg to get there name out, as a shop you have to take risks, which is why shops make race cars and show cars....
so youre thinking driftmotion would LET you do that in the first place? If you think Aaron is going to let you walk in the door and drop off the car and ask for 16k worth of motor swap/etc without getting some coin out of your pocket first you are mistaken.
Its not about anyone WANTING a business to close, but what we are saying is that they are guilty of "contributory negligence". Sure the kid is a douchebag, no one disputes that. Im just saying I have FAR less sympathy for the shop that put all its eggs in one basket then proceeded to compound the problem by not getting something for the additional work.
Its not about anyone WANTING a business to close, but what we are saying is that they are guilty of "contributory negligence". Sure the kid is a douchebag, no one disputes that. Im just saying I have FAR less sympathy for the shop that put all its eggs in one basket then proceeded to compound the problem by not getting something for the additional work.
Facime;1104446 said:
Now? No. At first, the probability would be exceptionally high.
Again, if you have never operated a business under your $, then you have zero facts to stand behind you. I can tell you that in the beggining, you have to do real risky things to get your name out. The beggining is the make or brake time.
If they just opened shop, they would be more likely to take a gamble of that magnitude than a well established business. It is how most assholes like to scam the business.
I have had numerous jerk off try that in my business (Specifically with the Klipsch THX Ultra 2 packages) . Lucky for me, my business is not my primary means of income so I can tell them to go jump a bridge if I smell something even remotely fishy-esque.
When it is your ONLY means of income, no income means you are unemployed so that means you will try to land the business and ones own risk aversion increases significantly.
figgie;1105484 said:
Why? probably because they learned. Ive owned several businesses actually and have been self employed now going on 7 years.
How many businesses have to get ripped off before people learn these valuable lessons? Cry all you want for Jap Works but I still think they are at least partially responsible for their own predicament. Anyway, they still have the car and all the labor they did is represented there. They are not OUT anything just yet.
Final thought on the subject. Im betting the owners of this business chose to see a rich little trust fund kid walk through that door and thought they could take avantage of him. Their cash cow turned into sour milk and I truely believe they have no one but themselves to blame.
Facime;1105572 said:
Learned? Nah. Again it comes down to Risk Aversion. Some people have a high one some people have a none exitant one. It depends on which one Aaron falls in
Now if it was my business, the kid would have already recieved a letter from my legal council for this along with court dates. But then again, I would not have taken the business past the agreed upon work as that is usually the first indication that something is going down. Of course I know this from previous experience dealing with shady miserable pricks like him with other mom & pop shops (I am a consultant to the masses).
You keep forgetting they are in fact out something. TIME once past is never recoverable. They did it all wrong but hindsight is always 20/20. As for the car, with out a mechanics lein, the car might be in thier possesion but legally it is still that dickheads car.
"How many business" can be replaced by how many PEOPLE in general. The list is endless. As car sales people say, there is a sucker born every minute and a business is no different.
Speaking of being taken. I just got an email asking for 3 displays totalling over $8000. =)
figgie;1105748 said:
Actually I think the saying goes, there is an asshole for every seat. (I used to sell cars too
)Time is money, if they end up not getting paid in the end, then they are out the time. So long as they get paid in the end either by court settlement/bond as is being discussed or by selling the car after they secure a mechanics lien then all they lost was their "virginity".
I think we both agree, they fucked up. That doesnt excuse the kid from being a fucktard and deserving all the backlash from this, but as far as the shop goes, call me an asshole, but Im not gonna cry any tears for them.