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Well the way I see it the problem is legit, but the shop is now expoliting the situation to thier benifit. The car owner looks to be a legitimate douchenozzle with a paper trail a mile long of the crap hes pulled. The guy is a real piece of work and it sounds like his family is paying the price for it as well.
The shop on the other hand made a huge error in judgment and has put themsleves in this position and I have mixed feelings about thier situation. First of all they ARE out something more than materials as they had to pay employees at least, Im sure, and of course overhead from rent and power etc. But, to go 4 months without taking some kind of money is stupid. I mean, its obvious if they had done a little research on the kid they would have turned up his paper trail and saved themselves this hassle.
Now it seems to me they are just trying to capitolize on the situation and maybe get more than they deserve out of it. They certainly deserve to get paid for thier work, and it seems they are making a name for themeselves but for the wrong reasons. If their work is so great that some carbon fiber and paint runs 16k and takes 4months to complete, then the work should speak for itself right?
Either way that shit stream of a human being rip off artist should get what hes got coming to him, nothing short of some jail time in a "pound me in the ass prison".
The shop on the other hand made a huge error in judgment and has put themsleves in this position and I have mixed feelings about thier situation. First of all they ARE out something more than materials as they had to pay employees at least, Im sure, and of course overhead from rent and power etc. But, to go 4 months without taking some kind of money is stupid. I mean, its obvious if they had done a little research on the kid they would have turned up his paper trail and saved themselves this hassle.
Now it seems to me they are just trying to capitolize on the situation and maybe get more than they deserve out of it. They certainly deserve to get paid for thier work, and it seems they are making a name for themeselves but for the wrong reasons. If their work is so great that some carbon fiber and paint runs 16k and takes 4months to complete, then the work should speak for itself right?
Either way that shit stream of a human being rip off artist should get what hes got coming to him, nothing short of some jail time in a "pound me in the ass prison".
The way things are going now.. I would not put it past anyone to try a new way to get some new business. Times are hard right now. How many of us have paused or changed their build because of lack of money. A custom shop like that without doing general auto repair may have a dry spell. Im interested in how it plays out.
funny
they got radio coverage.
that reminds me of "the claw thief" incident!
edit: btw feel sorry for Japworks. They are new and tried to appease the customer and now since it was a sole propriatorship, they (the owners) are out 16k of thier money which is an awful situation to be in
wish them luck in getting cash out of the scumbag!
they got radio coverage.
that reminds me of "the claw thief" incident!
edit: btw feel sorry for Japworks. They are new and tried to appease the customer and now since it was a sole propriatorship, they (the owners) are out 16k of thier money which is an awful situation to be in
wish them luck in getting cash out of the scumbag!
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Agreed as i keep saying this just don't feel right in some way. I hate they got ripped off, if it happened that way, but you they should have known better or at least took a step back and wounder about the money.
supramk3man;1103902 said:
nah man. It does not work that way. Especially when the success of the company rides on your work. Anyone that has started a company with their own money will tell you that, you try to cut deals, give lee way just to land the business. It is hard when you are a startup.
If the garage does not have a signed work order...
they have nothing... and can get sued.. and have to turn car over to owner...
if they have a signed work order and it has 16k as est.... then they own the car now...
but what stupid garage does 16k in work with no money down ?
we get a engine job... they come pay for the cost of engine... at the very least...if the job is over 500 in parts... any job... they come put a deposit on it..
The garage is as fault here in my opinun...
they have nothing... and can get sued.. and have to turn car over to owner...
if they have a signed work order and it has 16k as est.... then they own the car now...
but what stupid garage does 16k in work with no money down ?
we get a engine job... they come pay for the cost of engine... at the very least...if the job is over 500 in parts... any job... they come put a deposit on it..
The garage is as fault here in my opinun...
Well I think it is much more complicated than they did 16k in work with no deposit. Initially he put down enough of a deposit to do the paint job. Then he kept on dropping parts off and asking them to be installed and he told them his grandpa would pay for it all. This kid just leaves a web of lies and yes the owners did make a mistake but they wanted to make sure the customer was satisfied. I guess they tried to put faith into people who appear honest and forthright but now it is screwing their time, family and business over.
HommerSimpson;1103951 said:
why not?
$16000/ 50.00/hr (extreme low balling) = 320 man hours or 8 weeks worth of work. In the grand scheme of things, not alot.
I keep telling the lot of you that time IS money. Those 50/hr is no where what any shop charges back. Usually the price is $75/hr which brings the break down to 213 man hours which equals to 5.3 business weeks (accounted for at 40 hours a week).
Perhaps before opening the pie hole, math should be used to gather facts
I dont think the 16k is fishy at all. Excessive maybe, especially considering the money was being put into an automatic 7th gen celica :yelrotflm
The shop owner claims 4.5 months work and sounds like they put in quite a few late nights. I dont claim to know all the converstations that took place between the car owner and the shop, but my guess is that the guy knew damn well what the costs were and he thought he could pull one of his scams to get it. The shop pulled just enough brains out of their ass in the end to not let the car get away from them and now have an epic tale to tell.
In the end I think justice will be served. The kid gets NOTHING, except maybe a longer internet paper trail of fraud, and the shop can hopefully recover enough from the car to pay for the work. More importantly the shop learns a lesson, and will likely get enough exposture to make up for any monitary damages left over.
That GT-R thread from beyond.ca however was FUCKING EPIC!
The shop owner claims 4.5 months work and sounds like they put in quite a few late nights. I dont claim to know all the converstations that took place between the car owner and the shop, but my guess is that the guy knew damn well what the costs were and he thought he could pull one of his scams to get it. The shop pulled just enough brains out of their ass in the end to not let the car get away from them and now have an epic tale to tell.
In the end I think justice will be served. The kid gets NOTHING, except maybe a longer internet paper trail of fraud, and the shop can hopefully recover enough from the car to pay for the work. More importantly the shop learns a lesson, and will likely get enough exposture to make up for any monitary damages left over.
That GT-R thread from beyond.ca however was FUCKING EPIC!
No, this is much worse....
Google "Joe Dono".
Guess what 16K scam cost this neanderthal.......alot more in the long run!
Google "Joe Dono".
Guess what 16K scam cost this neanderthal.......alot more in the long run!
As I said Figgie, just more in his long paper trail of scamming. His reputation will preceed him forever but sadly I dont think thats enough to make him stop. In fact I bet it only fuels him to go to the next level as making an honest buck is going to be tough. I personally think some jail time is in order but Ive seen first hand how the justice system works and people who commit property crimes of this nature tend to slip through the cracks for a LONG time.
I wish the justice department would step up and crack down harder on internet fraud. Some examples need to be made and I would vote for this kid to fit that bill.
What I REALLY would like to see happen in that thread is this. The kid goes to court, gets a bond for the repairs, the shop gets paid, the owner gets his car. Then months later when the kid fails to pay his bond obligations a couple guys from Vinnies Bail Bonds come and take the car and witness the kid slip and fall in the bathtub, breaking all his fingers. Then he can hang out in jail with "The Claw" up in Alberta. :biglaugh:
I wish the justice department would step up and crack down harder on internet fraud. Some examples need to be made and I would vote for this kid to fit that bill.
What I REALLY would like to see happen in that thread is this. The kid goes to court, gets a bond for the repairs, the shop gets paid, the owner gets his car. Then months later when the kid fails to pay his bond obligations a couple guys from Vinnies Bail Bonds come and take the car and witness the kid slip and fall in the bathtub, breaking all his fingers. Then he can hang out in jail with "The Claw" up in Alberta. :biglaugh:
To those not seeing $16K in work, have you actaully LOOKED at the pictures?
The car was completely disassembled, color changed, carbon fiber overlay, tons of installs done, and all reassembled.
Honestly the car is damn nice to look at, and hopefully they get enough money somehow to hold onto the car (instead of parting it out or selling it) so it can be a rolling billboard for the work they do.
The car was completely disassembled, color changed, carbon fiber overlay, tons of installs done, and all reassembled.
Honestly the car is damn nice to look at, and hopefully they get enough money somehow to hold onto the car (instead of parting it out or selling it) so it can be a rolling billboard for the work they do.
Call me a un-trusting SOB but I think the shop owners are in on the whole deal. Ever heard of "Viral Marketing"
Below is a good definition and take special note. The shop owners are accepting sympathy paypal donations as well. ChaChing!!
Viral Marketing:.... Viral marketing describes any strategy that encourages individuals to pass on a marketing message to others, creating the potential for exponential growth in the message's exposure and influence. Like viruses, such strategies take advantage of rapid multiplication to explode the message to thousands, to millions.
Off the Internet, viral marketing has been referred to as "word-of-mouth," "creating a buzz," "leveraging the media," "network marketing."
Reference
Wiki explains it as well.
Below is a good definition and take special note. The shop owners are accepting sympathy paypal donations as well. ChaChing!!
Viral Marketing:.... Viral marketing describes any strategy that encourages individuals to pass on a marketing message to others, creating the potential for exponential growth in the message's exposure and influence. Like viruses, such strategies take advantage of rapid multiplication to explode the message to thousands, to millions.
Off the Internet, viral marketing has been referred to as "word-of-mouth," "creating a buzz," "leveraging the media," "network marketing."
Reference
Wiki explains it as well.
It's like someone trying to pull that here. It would be obvious, but there are plenty of people that know the shop owners and know it's true.
Obviously you haven't read the entire thread...
Obviously you haven't read the entire thread...
its just a bad situation... i feel bad for the shop, i've done TONS of work for friends and they've paid in payments, or paid it in full when the job was done.
but this car was taken apart, engine pulled, everything. just to install the turbo kit was like at least $800 in labor i would think. the naws was probably another $500 in labor at least. i think 16k is steep... but the kid wanted a somewhat of a show car, so i dont know...
i just hope the shop gets its money, and everything works out and the kid accidently... uhh... yeah. you know, an accident. haha
but this car was taken apart, engine pulled, everything. just to install the turbo kit was like at least $800 in labor i would think. the naws was probably another $500 in labor at least. i think 16k is steep... but the kid wanted a somewhat of a show car, so i dont know...
i just hope the shop gets its money, and everything works out and the kid accidently... uhh... yeah. you know, an accident. haha
I don't question being able to say that there is 16k of work and parts in the car. i'm saying it is odd if not down right fishy that a shop did this. i understand they are new shop and they want customers to be happy, but when does let credit go to 16k just for getting customers in the door seem reasonable to a 20 year old kid with a Celica . the shop should have taken a step back at some point and figured if a kid had that kinda of money to do this with why a Celica. i hate if it is true for the shop onwers, i hope they get every penny that have worked for. the kid needs ahard life leason that some how he has missed. but in the scope of things if you ask me things just don't add up. just my 2 cents