Copy of a cast HKS exhaust mani?

pimptrizkit

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Why buy it?! Stop cheaping out.

Add up the costs if you have nothing from the start.

$250 for that manifold. Another $250 for a wastegate. Do you have to have a spacer for that manifold?..

Thats $500 right there.

For another $150 I bought a REAL hks long runner w/ wastegate. To me, thats worth it.

There was another one on ebay not too long ago (couple days ago) for 600 shipped.
 

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^I'm not cheaping out dude, it's just a product that I thought to point out, obviously it turned out to be a repost. In no way am I using an aftermarket manifold (unless LIPP makes an upgrade for the stocker sometime soon ;)).

So was that wastegate used when you bought it? Just curious, why buy the name if you're going to save 150? It's just a name, who cares?
 

boostadikt

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i don't think those cast manifolds would have any problems they are pretty hard to break.... the SSA and other tube manifolds on ebay are 100$ now, I think buying that and having all the welds checked and gone over is the best also cheap..... or just screw it they have held up so far on a lot of cars and if it does crack who cares buy another for 100$
 

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Cheap does not always mean it wont work.
Name brands are good but you can always find other brands that will work well too.

Cheers,
Roy
 

jdub

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If it's a high nickle alloy, it should hold up very well...especially if you get it ceramic coated ;)
 

pimptrizkit

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in my opinion HKS put the innovation and R&D in their products. A copy cat is just that. A copy of a product with little to no R&D to determine if it fits correctly, the quality of materials, customer service (might not apply now).. I would always spend the $150 more to have a name over a ebay special in this case. I'm glad I waited and decided what I really wanted to do rather than buy the SS auto; even if it works for some.

any one find out from the makers (whoever that may be).. on what its made out of?
 

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Support goes both ways...when the profits fell off, HKS stopped making manifolds for the 7M sometime ago. Turbonetics also made (or contracted to make) a manifold a lot like this one iirc. Perhaps it's the same supplier?
 

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I'm not quite sure, but doesn't the SS auto mani's have clearance issues with an external wastegate once they are bolted on, or do I have this confused with the 1JZ version manifolds? Anyways, It looks like this manifold shouldn't have that problem, also, it looks to be a straightforward boltone that may need a spacer, but big deal, at least it will not need to be reinforced like the ss auto's do to prevent welds cracking.
 

blackout_89t

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starscream5000 said:
I'm not quite sure, but doesn't the SS auto mani's have clearance issues with an external wastegate once they are bolted on, or do I have this confused with the 1JZ version manifolds? Anyways, It looks like this manifold shouldn't have that problem, also, it looks to be a straightforward boltone that may need a spacer, but big deal, at least it will not need to be reinforced like the ss auto's do to prevent welds cracking.

Please show me a 7mgte ss autochrome manifold that has cracked from heat cycling. Please.

They don't even say what grade iron it is casted from. Personally I would use the tubular version over that cast piece until someone can verify the exact metalurgical properties of it.
 

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blackout_89t said:
They don't even say what grade iron it is casted from.

The ad says "High Nickle Alloy". I would like that verified myself ;)
If it fits well, this would be a good alternative to the tube type.
 

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blackout_89t said:
Please show me a 7mgte ss autochrome manifold that has cracked from heat cycling. Please.

They don't even say what grade iron it is casted from. Personally I would use the tubular version over that cast piece until someone can verify the exact metalurgical properties of it.

Ok, let me clarify more since you are "putting words into the horses mouth". What I am talking about is the weight from the turbo putting stress on the manifold, over time creating an issue here. The key word is "PREVENT", or prevention, preventative maintenance ;). Hell, even Driftmotion recomends you to fab up a bracket for this purpose to PREVENT this issue from occuring. Just don't weld something onto the manifold itself or you will void the warranty ;). We got that cleared up now? Good ;)
 

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starscream5000 said:
Hell, even Driftmotion recomends you to fab up a bracket for this purpose to PREVENT this issue from occuring. Just don't weld something onto the manifold itself or you will void the warranty ;). We got that cleared up now? Good ;)

Toyota calls it stay number 1 and stay number 2. Once again, parts the car doesn't really need. ;)
 

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I don't have a problem buying replica parts of parts that are not available any more. Shoot, PowerHouse Racing copied this manifold and I didn't hear anybody crying foul about it. If you want it, go for it. If you don't, that's fine.
 

blackout_89t

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jdub said:
The ad says "High Nickle Alloy". I would like that verified myself ;)
If it fits well, this would be a good alternative to the tube type.

That is not a "grade" though, that is some fancy bullshit to make people that don't know any better think the manifold is good.
 

blackout_89t

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starscream5000 said:
Ok, let me clarify more since you are "putting words into the horses mouth". What I am talking about is the weight from the turbo putting stress on the manifold, over time creating an issue here. The key word is "PREVENT", or prevention, preventative maintenance ;). Hell, even Driftmotion recomends you to fab up a bracket for this purpose to PREVENT this issue from occuring. Just don't weld something onto the manifold itself or you will void the warranty ;). We got that cleared up now? Good ;)

"Recomend" is the key word.

Do you have a picture of any of the 7MGTE SSAC manifolds cracking from the weight of the turbo on the welds? Or is it speculation. Of course I think it is an excellent idea to add bracing, it cant hurt, but is there any proof of the 7mgte SSAC manifold cracking from that reason?