Cold start tapping/knocking...uh oh....

supramacist

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the big name in oil right now, that i keep hearing over and over again is royal purple. toyota told me they'd do my head gasket and replace all of those seals for 600$ I really want to do it myself. BUt the more i study the bhg thing..., It makes me wonder if I truely have the mechanical ability. I feel confident I can but it's one of those things where I hate to royally f uck something up do to my own ignorance. I don't know about the smoke. I wouldn't be inclined to think that changing the oil will make it stop.
 

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well i just ran into another problem and I'm probably going to get info on BHG repairs soon...see my new thread. Is there any chance of getting discounts on the BHG job on our cars if we state that we know for a FACT that it was assembled wrong??
 

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supramacist said:
the big name in oil right now, that i keep hearing over and over again is royal purple. toyota told me they'd do my head gasket and replace all of those seals for 600$ I really want to do it myself. BUt the more i study the bhg thing..., It makes me wonder if I truely have the mechanical ability. I feel confident I can but it's one of those things where I hate to royally f uck something up do to my own ignorance. I don't know about the smoke. I wouldn't be inclined to think that changing the oil will make it stop.


I'm probably going to do it and i've never EVER done major engine work...you learn as you go man. Tore apart a small engine once...

I dont think it is that hard...have you seen the pics of the process? you just dissasemble, resurface if it's needed, and then stick it back together with a new part....done.
 

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not on a toyota u dont do that lmao, the supra is a picky bitch. the head has to have the right smoothness and same with the block. if you go with a mhg both will be required to have machining done.
 

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do people ever read full posts? I said "you just dissasemble, RESURFACE if it's needed...."

unless resurfacing doesn't mean making sure the parts are flat and smooth please tell me what it truly means. :)
 

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it just looked like u thought u were gunna build the engine like u wud for a ford. sorry for the confusion this is one thing i hate about the internet.
 

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yeah same here, sorry if i sounded snotty. I hate online conversations, especially because i'm slightly touchy and jump to conclusions as i'm sure many people do... without the audible part of a conversation it really hurts some conversations. But i did make it sound simpler than i should have... i'm just getting to the sparkplugs and its pretty challenging compared to my dad's mitsu 4-cylinder...the plugs on his are right there....
 

Figit090

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found some problems taking out the sparkplugs....the 5th cylinder was finger tight....

looks like i found a contributor to my jerky accel and decceleration... too bad i'm having other issues.....or i'd be happy.
 

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FIGIT!!!! you are slaying me dude. I would resurface!!!!!! it's a f ucking must. IMO, I would resurface even if I went with a new oem hg. I'm going to do mine myself.... I'm going to get it all set up first so the car isn't out of comission for any longer than it has to be. I figure that if Toyota wants 6 benny's I can do it for under 3.5 . John may I ask why you named her Tiffany???? I think I have named mine.., Finessa.
 

johnathan1

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Yes, re-surfacing the head is a MUST, w/out that, you are almost guaranteed to blow another one very shortly after replacement... these hg's are sooo sensitive.

supramacist: When I got my NA, I absolutely loved it at first sight, and it seemed like a girl car, and it was totally 80's, and I wanted it to have the most 80's girl's name I could think of, my NA was Kelli, and now the Turbo is Tiffany, a much more 80's name IMO. Haha, and I believe that there is a certain connotation with the name Tiffany that anyone with that name is like some high-maintenance, bitchy person, which describes the Supra almost exactly!
 

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lol.... yeah i'll get mine machined then. seems that somehow the price keeps going down every time i hear about doing the HG... I need to price an OEM gasket and some good bolts...i'm probably not going big HP on this one, since doing so is very expensive and i could just get a turbo motor for a fraction of the price.....
 

Figit090

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lol...no need, just got the 6th plug out and i'm going to have to do some price checking anyway... there is no carbon on this plug and it's shiny clean...:cry: :icon_mad: :cry: :icon_conf
 

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hi everybody...reviving this old thread. i had this issue a few months ago before the BHG fix...now its still there and i'm still worried.

I have searched the site for rod knock and came up with some things but i'll describe what i'm feeling and hearing here...

SOMETIMES, not every time, i start the car, and it revs a bit past 1k RPM like i think it should, and as it drops back down to 700 RPM i hear this *knock,knock,knock...* for about 6 or so knocks. Then it stops and idles fine, no odd noises. I usually hear this when i've ran the engine at an earler time, shut it down, and then come back around 20 or so minutes later. (i.e. a trip to the store),so basically the oil and the engine are still warm from driving. i dont think i notice it much if even at all when its a COLD start...sometimes possibly a little noise, but i cant be sure if that isnt the regular starting vibrations messing with my worry-filled mind.

when i drive the car after it does NOT knock on startup...the revvs feel smoother with the clutch depressed, and when i slowly increase RPM from arounk 2k to 3k rpm i dont feel much or any of the knocking noise that I hear when it has been started WARM.

when i do the same thing on a knocking startup, push the clutch in and rev it, i hear this knocking sound which i can actually feel as well as hear. with my feet on the pedals (or on the footrest when in neutral instead of pushing the clutch), i can feel it with my feet as well as my hands on the wheel and through the shifter(5spd). I feel and hear the knocking when i slowly increase revs from around 2k to 3k rpm...and the rest of the range from about 700 to 4k (dont go higher) still feels a bit rougher then "normal".

first thing i thought on this was RK. fits descriptions i have heard, but i was hoping someone had a sound clip of a RK, or could give me ANY possiblities as to what else it could be. my dad and i both thought it was odd that it would only happen SOMETIMES. it seems like this problem should be consistant every time i drive it. i will know better tomorrow, but today, after it ran a bit rough yesterday...it felt fine. maybe the circumstances prevented me from noticing...i will listen carefully again tomorrow and try my best to "control" MY variables (throttle and clutch application)

what we thought it could possibly be...other than rod knock. (trying to hope for the best here...

fuel delivery problem?
throwout bearing?
bad plug wires? (mine are old)
oil delivery issue?
oil selection?
(i have some cheap phillips 5w-30 in there now... i was planning to use that for the flush and then the good valvoline 5w-30)

when my dad comes home i'll have him help me pull the plug wires one-by-one while i start/stop/rev the engine. then i'll listen for knocking with a tube, maybe a hose, and a stick...prodding the block as well as the oil pan. i would do it before posting this but i feel too upset and cant bring myself to go out there and do it yet. i need to be in a good mood incase i get bad news or i might freak out....i wasnt planning on a RK; and my engine doesnt have the mileage I'd EVER expect an engine to do this with...so after putting several hundred into BHG and then driving it again...hearing this just makes me sick. (i might also remove a belt or two and see if maybe its not the engine...if i dont have luck otherwise.)

so if you have any suggestions to what it could be...let me know. thanks a LOT in advance...even if you dont think i have a chance that its something else.
 

johnathan1

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If I were you, I wouldn't worry about it so much, and just put Synthetic oil in the next oil change to clean the oil passages a bit (or a quart of ATF)...

Of course that is just my personal opinion though, my .02.

I am kinda the same way you are, and freak out about every little thing, and my world stops, but if i've learned anything, it's that this doesn't help at all, and there are tons of other things that need to be done, and the world doesn't revolve around my car. In fact, I was just outside dealing with a wiring issue with my CPS, you will be driving, and the car will just STOP, and you have to pull over, and wiggle the CPS wires, then it starts like magic...But you could imagine how frustrating that is when you desperately need a new wiring harness like i do, but the money just isn't there... I guess i'm trying to say that I know where you're coming from, because i've been there, and still am, really.

I hope that helped you, because it really helped me! :)
 

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i dont really have words to express how much better that makes me feel. i will still worry but i can eaisly read this post again. if it gets bad again i might even print it and tape it to my dashboard so i don't cry.

what u said is really true... and you are correct on everything u said about how you think we are... i felt...no...i FEEL so damn crappy every time it does this that i forget EVERYTHING else going on and focus myself on the knocking... then it makes me depressed until i can figure out a way to cheer myself up again.

i'm a natural at this worry-wort stuff. its more of a perfectionist worry but saying my "world stops" perfectly describes my feelings. thanks again!

will my oil tell me on there if it's synthetic? why would i want that by the way? i might even dump the oil tonight and go to the valvolene....the oil in there isnt getting dirty...either its is crap and doesnt do its job or my engine just wansnt that messy inside.

:D :D i feel mostly back to normal now...thanks.
 

johnathan1

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Well, you're welcome!! :biglaugh: Us Supra people have it pretty bad...Supras are so old now, that almost all of the problems that we encounter are age related... When my car shut off when entering a driveway, then again while braking in the middle of a large four lane highway...i almost started crying, because I feel like i have put so damn mch into this car, and it still does this to me...you're NOT alone!

As for your problem (the car :biglaugh:) I would just do as IJ says and put a quart of ATF in with some more cheap philips, and save the valvoline for when you change your oil again in 2 weeks. How's that sound?
 

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well i still will have the knocking sound...the other oil might solve that...maybe

i also thought of a thicker oil...but if it was rod knock it might just hide it. i guess that would be GOOD though because it must mean it's wearing less or cushoning the impacts to some degree.

i have a Bosch oil filter on there now...and i have a WIX i can put on. it's my second filter since i did the BHG change...like....30 miles ago. lol. (and a good amount of stationary engine running. i noticed that the Wix has a spring in the oil passage (threaded part) so maybe its much better. it was a lot more $$ i can tel u that much. i have to find that filter-review site later

i have almost 6 quarts in there now and some people reccomend more...some people i've read have as much as 10!! how can that be? it sounds nuts but maybe it is a end-user-discovered thing to eliminate worries?