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read through it all, i am not sure what the draw back is, anything done will always have a reaction the question is what it is doing and what is going on

My Friend just told me about this, one of the sites has some info dating back to 2005 that people have been doing this with there cars
 

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Ive heard about this before from my diesel mech. teacher. Really haven't heard much until now. It's interesting stuff indeed.

There is this though. :dunno:

Q. Has acetone ever harmed an engine?
No known instances reported that we know of in the fuel system.
*A note of extreme caution: Acetone is a very powerful solvent, and extremely corrosive to rubber. In fact, when the acetone hits a rubber fuel line, or o-rings, or any other rubber part coming into contact with the acetone, it will slowly be dissolved away. With continual corrosion of the rubber, it will eventually disintegrate, leading to extensive repairs of the fuel line, and a possibly worse if it happened while driving. When it all comes down to it, realize that you are using the acetone at your own consequence.
 
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trydrew said:
Ive heard about this before from my diesel mech. teacher. Really haven't heard much until now. It's interesting stuff indeed.

There is this though. :dunno:

Q. Has acetone ever harmed an engine?
No known instances reported that we know of in the fuel system.
*A note of extreme caution: Acetone is a very powerful solvent, and extremely corrosive to rubber. In fact, when the acetone hits a rubber fuel line, or o-rings, or any other rubber part coming into contact with the acetone, it will slowly be dissolved away. With continual corrosion of the rubber, it will eventually disintegrate, leading to extensive repairs of the fuel line, and a possibly worse if it happened while driving. When it all comes down to it, realize that you are using the acetone at your own consequence.

I was gonna say that and heat.
 

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why though whats your reasoning behind saying no


I've seen first hand what a small amount of acetone does to rubber and plastic. The plastic and rubber parts in the fuel system are designed to withstand gasoline and older(mid 80's - early 90's)Japanese cars and trucks don't even recommend blended fuels(ethanol).
 
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Ya, interesting idea. I'd never heard of it, but anytime I see claims like this I always take a step back.

If something this easy could safely increase your efficiency, every manufacturer would be endorsing its use.

I thought it was a little sketchy when they said it's "the secret wealthy oil companies don't want you to know"
 

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Ya there could be, in some form or another.

A continuation of my suspicion... If it was safe I'm absolutely sure Shell or BP would put it in their gas and advertise it gets you a 25% increase in MPG. And they would charge you an extra 15-20%, and make more money, completely contrary to the conspiracy B.S. in the first video.
 

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suprarx7nut said:
Ya there could be, in some form or another.

A continuation of my suspicion... If it was safe I'm absolutely sure Shell or BP would put it in their gas and advertise it gets you a 25% increase in MPG. And they would charge you an extra 15-20%, and make more money, completely contrary to the conspiracy B.S. in the first video.
That's what i was thinking; perhaps it will increase you gas mileage (I wouldn't look towards 25%), but it's gotta have some adverse affect, or else it would have been done by a major company already. Either it hurts the car, or it fucks your emmissions, and I don't see it doing the second one. but hell, if it works for you and your car survives, go for it :shrug: . How much does it affect the octane rating?

EDIT: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Torn...009QQitemZ190101677351QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW Sound familiar? I got one of these things for christmas a while back and went ahead and put it in just for kicks (i mean, i already had it, might as well) and got just what i thought i would (nothing).
 

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suprarx7nut said:
Ya there could be, in some form or another.

A continuation of my suspicion... If it was safe I'm absolutely sure Shell or BP would put it in their gas and advertise it gets you a 25% increase in MPG. And they would charge you an extra 15-20%, and make more money, completely contrary to the conspiracy B.S. in the first video.

Well it does make you wonder, Maybe the concentration of the acetone makes the gas to Volatile. Or for some fuels it causes other parts of the fuel to break down. This is all speculation, it would be good if you could do an analisys of what exactly is happening.



I found this info oh a site,
http://www.turborick.com/gsxr1127/gasoline.html




What is a typical composition?

There seems to be a perception that all gasolines of one octane grade are chemically similar, and thus general rules can be promulgated about "energy content ", "flame speed", "combustion temperature" etc. etc.. Nothing is further from the truth. The behaviour of manufactured gasolines in octane rating engines can be predicted, using previous octane ratings of special blends intended to determine how a particular refinery stream responds to an octane-enhancing additive. Refiners can design and reconfigure refineries to efficiently produce a wide range of gasolines feedstocks, depending on market and regulatory requirements.

The last 10 years of various compositional changes to gasolines for environmental and health reasons have resulted in fuels that do not follow historical rules, and the regulations mapped out for the next decade also ensure the composition will remain in a state of flux. The reformulated gasoline specifications, especially the 1/May/1997 Complex model, will probably introduce major reductions in the distillation range, as well as the various limits on composition and emissions.

I'm not going to list all 500+ HCs in gasolines, but the following are representative of the various classes typically present in a gasoline. The numbers after each chemical are:- Research Blending Octane : Motor Blending Octane : Boiling Point (C): Density (g/ml @ 15C) : Minimum Autoignition Temperature (C). It is important to realise that the Blending Octanes are derived from a 20% mix of the HC with a 60:40 iC8:nC7 base, and the extrapolation of this 20% to 100%. This is different from rating the pure fuel, which often requires adjustment of the test engine conditions outside the acceptable limits of the rating methods. Generally the actual octanes of the pure fuel are similar for the alkanes, but are up to 30 octane numbers lower than the blending octanes for the aromatics and olefins [31].

A traditional composition I have dreamed up would be like the following, whereas newer oxygenated fuels reduce the aromatics and olefins, narrow the boiling range, and add oxygenates up to about 12-15% to provide the octane.


15% n-paraffins RON MON BP d AIT
n-butane 113 : 114 : -0.5: gas : 370
n-pentane 62 : 66 : 35 : 0.626 : 260
n-hexane 19 : 22 : 69 : 0.659 : 225
n-heptane (0:0 by definition) 0 : 0 : 98 : 0.684 : 225
n-octane -18 : -16 : 126 : 0.703 : 220
( you would not want to have the following alkanes in gasoline,
so you would never blend kerosine with gasoline )
n-decane -41 : -38 : 174 : 0.730 : 210
n-dodecane -88 : -90 : 216 : 0.750 : 204
n-tetradecane -90 : -99 : 253 : 0.763 : 200
30% iso-paraffins
2-methylpropane 122 : 120 : -12 : gas : 460
2-methylbutane 100 : 104 : 28 : 0.620 : 420
2-methylpentane 82 : 78 : 62 : 0.653 : 306
3-methylpentane 86 : 80 : 64 : 0.664 : -
2-methylhexane 40 : 42 : 90 : 0.679 :
3-methylhexane 56 : 57 : 91 : 0.687 :
2,2-dimethylpentane 89 : 93 : 79 : 0.674 :
2,2,3-trimethylbutane 112 : 112 : 81 : 0.690 : 420
2,2,4-trimethylpentane 100 : 100 : 98 : 0.692 : 415
( 100:100 by definition )
12% cycloparaffins
cyclopentane 141 : 141 : 50 : 0.751 : 380
methylcyclopentane 107 : 99 : 72 : 0.749 :
cyclohexane 110 : 97 : 81 : 0.779 : 245
methylcyclohexane 104 : 84 : 101 : 0.770 : 250
35% aromatics
benzene 98 : 91 : 80 : 0.874 : 560
toluene 124 : 112 : 111 : 0.867 : 480
ethyl benzene 124 : 107 : 136 : 0.867 : 430
meta-xylene 162 : 124 : 138 : 0.868 : 463
para-xylene 155 : 126 : 138 : 0.866 : 530
ortho-xylene 126 : 102 : 144 : 0.870 : 530
3-ethyltoluene 162 : 138 : 158 : 0.865 :
1,3,5-trimethylbenzene 170 : 136 : 163 : 0.864 :
1,2,4-trimethylbenzene 148 : 124 : 168 : 0.889 :
8% olefins
2-pentene 154 : 138 : 37 : 0.649 :
2-methylbutene-2 176 : 140 : 36 : 0.662 :
2-methylpentene-2 159 : 148 : 67 : 0.690 :
cyclopentene 171 : 126 : 44 : 0.774 :
( the following olefins are not present in significant amounts
in gasoline, but have some of the highest blending octanes )
1-methylcyclopentene 184 : 146 : 75 : 0.780 :
1,3 cyclopentadiene 218 : 149 : 42 : 0.805 :
dicyclopentadiene 229 : 167 : 170 : 1.071 :

Oxygenates

Published octane values vary a lot because the rating conditions are significantly different to standard conditions, for example the API Project 45 numbers used above for the hydrocarbons, reported in 1957, gave MTBE blending RON as 148 and MON as 146, however that was based on the lead response, whereas today we use MTBE in place of lead.

methanol 133 : 105 : 65 : 0.796 : 385
ethanol 129 : 102 : 78 : 0.794 : 365
iso propyl alcohol 118 : 98 : 82 : 0.790 : 399
methyl tertiary butyl ether 116 : 103 : 55 : 0.745 :
ethyl tertiary butyl ether 118 : 102 : 72 : 0.745 :
tertiary amyl methyl ether 111 : 98 : 86 : 0.776 :

There are some other properties of oxygenates that have to be considered when they are going to be used as fuels, particularly their ability to form very volatile azeotropes that cause the fuel's vapour pressure to increase, the chemical nature of the emissions, and their tendency to separate into a separate water/oxygenate phase when water is present. The reformulated gasolines address these problems more successfully than the original oxygenated gasolines.

Before you rush out to make a highly aromatic or olefinic gasoline to produce a high octane fuel, remember they have other adverse properties, eg the aromatics attack elastomers and generate smoke, and the olefins are unstable ( besides smelling foul ) and form gums. The art of correctly formulating a gasoline that does not cause engines to knock apart, does not cause vapour lock in summer - but is easy to start in winter, does not form gums and deposits, burns cleanly without soot/residues, and does not dissolve or poison the car catalyst or owner, is based on knowledge of the gasoline composition.
 

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5.13 What are "carbonyl" compounds?

Carbonyls are produced in large amounts under lean operating conditions, especially when oxygenated fuels are used. Most carbonyls are toxic, and the carboxylic acids can corrode metals. The emission of carbonyls can be controlled by combustion stoichiometry and exhaust catalysts.

Typical carbonyls are:-

* aldehydes ( containing -CHO ),
o formaldehyde (HCHO) - which is formed in large amounts during lean combustion of methanol [58].
o acetaldehyde (CH2CHO) - which is formed during ethanol combustion.
o acrolein (CH2=CHCHO) - a very potent irritant.
* ketones ( containing C=0 ),
* acetone (CH3COCH3)
* carboxylic acids ( containing -COOH ),
o formic acid (HCOOH) - formed during lean methanol combustion.
o acetic acid (CH3COOH).