Car won't start + one spare connector!

[iwannadie]

I bet your timing is 180* off. Line it all up using the TSRM and then pull your cam gears off and put them back on with the marks point down.

I had the same problem, sounded just like yours. It would crank and crank real strong but not turn over. Flipped the cams and started first try.

 

[lazarous]

PREUPDATE you had the last problem of not having fuel, and the fuse was blowing constantly....then magically UPDATE and you have fuel spark and timing...all that you listed was plug wires and all connectors connected (whatever that means).....New plug wires wouldn't fix that all, so what did you do???????

 

[supramacist]

He did what you guys told him and it seems to have worked, somehow.

 

[drumminforev]

wait the marks on the cam gears are supposed to face DOWN? if thats the case then for sure my timing id 180 deg off

i fixed the fuse and no fuel prob by hooking up the thermostat ground, that was easy, ill update soon

i just want someone else to verify that the mark on the cames should be DOWN while the mark on the crank shoud be UP. is this correct? i broke my wrist so i want to make sure im doing worthwile work, its hard with 1 hand and by myself

 

[supramacist]

Dude the cam marks are up on mine. They line up just like the tsrm shows. The belt gaurd has the top marks that you synch to. I'm a 91 7mge.

Your's may be different but I wouldn't think so, especially if you are working on the 7m series engine.

The cams themselves have marks on them but you may have to remove your valve covers.

 

[johnathan1]

Have you checked for codes?

 

[iwannadie]

wait the marks on the cam gears are supposed to face DOWN? if thats the case then for sure my timing id 180 deg off

i fixed the fuse and no fuel prob by hooking up the thermostat ground, that was easy, ill update soon

i just want someone else to verify that the mark on the cames should be DOWN while the mark on the crank shoud be UP. is this correct? i broke my wrist so i want to make sure im doing worthwile work, its hard with 1 hand and by myself

No, they are supposed to be facing up. Just because they are facing up though doesnt mean your timing is correct. The motor has a compression and an exhaust stroke. So it very well may look like the mechanical timing is correct but it can be 180* off.

With mine, I had the lower timing mark lined up(0 degrees) when i put my head back on(cam markers pointing up). It seemed to do the same thing your motor is doing. I pulled the cam gears off and rotated them 180 so the markers pointed down without rotating the lower pully or moving the belt. Then I rotated the lower pully back to 0degrees and the cam markers pointed straight up. After that it started first try.

Im sure someone can explain it better than I can. As far as I know for mechanical timing theres 3 points you have to line up plus be on the compression stroke of the motor. Check the tsrm how to set your timing and just do it from scratch, should only take a few minutes.

 

[cuel]

All three marks should be up. As according to the TSRM. The cams are set in the correct position every time they point up. Only the crank can point at the mark and be 180 out. Its the cams that determine timing. Iirc, there's three holes in the gears for the alignment pin on the cam. If you set it in the wrong one, the marks will line up, but the cams will be out of time. Then you have to know where the lobes for cyl. one should be pointing.... Been awhile since I had one of these apart, though.

 

[iwannadie]

All three marks should be up. As according to the TSRM. The cams are set in the correct position every time they point up. Only the crank can point at the mark and be 180 out. Its the cams that determine timing. Iirc, there's three holes in the gears for the alignment pin on the cam. If you set it in the wrong one, the marks will line up, but the cams will be out of time. Then you have to know where the lobes for cyl. one should be pointing.... Been awhile since I had one of these apart, though.

They have to be point up yes, but for me being 180 out its easier to just rotate the cams to point down. I didnt mean to just turn the cam gears I guess I did word that poorly. I ment pull the gears off to get the belt off, then rotate the cams and put the gears back on. I figured since the gears can only go on one way(because of the 3 holes) it wasnt too confusing.

The cam lobe if you look through the oil filler should be point up(or close to it, look at the tsrm).

 

[johnathan1]

Have you checked for codes?

 

[cuel]

Drumminforever: If the cam pin is in the center hole in the gears, and the marks are pointed up, directly at the marks on the back cover, and the crank is set at zero, the timing is correct.

 

[iwannadie]

Drumminforever: If the cam pin is in the center hole in the gears, and the marks are pointed up, directly at the marks on the back cover, and the crank is set at zero, the timing is correct.

Not true, explain how it can be correct when its 180 out because its not on the compression stroke.

 

[jetjock]

Not on the compression stroke? Good grief. Instead of blindly following the book you should learn how engines work. That way they'd be no confusion.

 

[cuel]

Sigh... I really don't feel like explaining how an internal combustion 4 stroke motor works, so here you go.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm
Give it a read. It'll explain a lot.... (make sure you carefully read the information in the how camshafts work in the valvetrain section)

 

[drumminforev]

ill try swapping the timing 180 but i dont see how it would ever bee off by exactly 180. i put the crank mark up, the timing marks up, the cams in the middle hold of the cam gear. so how could it be off

 

[cuel]

Hmmm.... did you check your codes? http://cygnusx1.net/Supra/TechTips/engine_error_codes.aspx
What is your fuel pressure?
I hate to say this, but you might wanna bite the bullet and take it to a mechanic. Tell him everything you've done, and let him go from there.

 

[johnathan1]

Have you checked for codes?

 

[suprana1990]

This is most likely your timing is off.

http://cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?Section=IG&Page=17

follow the direction on how to set the distrib. back in place.

if that fails, set the cams up again with the crank pulley.
http://cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TSRM/MK3/manual.aspx?Section=EM&Page=29

then revert back to the distrib. setting again. This should solve the start and then dying out situation.

 

[Nick M]

cars is an na so no cps. has a dizzy.

hmmm sorry dude the wiring on your cars a bit of a mess. is the dizzy pluged in? as that plug looks about the only thing that it could reach would be the distributor.

check about that area for anything thats unpluged.

if i were you i would see about getting the wiring in that area tidied up. even if its only to stop it rubbing etc. try using cable ties to secure it together

:bsflag: :umno:

The distributor cap only replaces the coil pack. It still has the engine speed and position sensor.

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h23.pdf edited web link

Page 5 and 9 of 16 to be specific, but you should read all of it.

 

[drumminforev]

i think i fouind my problem. i never ever saw those numbers, 0 10 15 on the timing cover. my timing is for sure at least 20 degrees off..now are those numbers advanced or retarded?