Sell your car and buy a nice unmolested car. Trying to fix a car that has been hacked on by numerous owners that don't know what they are doing will beat you up and drain your wallet. Cheaper in the long run. Good paint job 4K interior 1k bad trim 1k engine harness 5 to 800. Engine rebuild done properly 3k clutch and flywheel 1k bad trans 1k. So on so on. And there are no go fast parts yet.
Car is Cranking but won't run
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Shes going in for repair to a GUY that knows about 7mgte's, not one guessing what could be wrong with it like they would scan a mustang. Its so hard to find tuners in TX, Guys wish me luck that he can fix the codes and anything else wrong with it If not i will be force to sell the car... D:
Actually, that is true and not true. Every car has different "quirks" and the 7M has some nice ones. If you know the engine well, you know where to look.Nick M;1912248 said:
However, having said that, mechanics are mechanics... a fuel starved engine has the same characteristics regardless what engine it is. Knowing where the fuel pump and lines are just makes it quicker to diagnose and fix. (as an example)
The real key is to find someone who knows what they are doing... period.
Now.. after saying that, I still think these cars aren't the best to own if your cash short. Its a hungry beast...
^ Odd, mine was the cheapest car I've ever owned.
It's true mechanics are mechanics. It's also true car are cars. Good thing this one is simple. I have to chuckle at the next generation of youngsters who'll be dealing with OBDII on their first cars. Based on the current crop they're gonna be seriously lost.
It's true mechanics are mechanics. It's also true car are cars. Good thing this one is simple. I have to chuckle at the next generation of youngsters who'll be dealing with OBDII on their first cars. Based on the current crop they're gonna be seriously lost.
jetjock;1912370 said:
Most of these kids are seriously lost now...
Both my current cars are OBDI/II and are an exponential leap in complexity, one is a 2004 model the other is a 2005 and just in that one year span the later management system is twice as complex....
Grandavi;1912310 said:
Different manufacturers are more alike than not alike. And going from a 91 Corolla to a 91 Supra things really get similar in strategy and execution.
If you know automotive you know where to look based on symptoms, that is true.
Yep.
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jetjock;1912370 said:
Mine was the most expensive simply because I have done no mechanical work on it. Nada. Started to, and ran into so many little issues, I realised that regardless what I did, my skill level would leave me with a car sitting for years and years rather than one running.
Remember... you know how to read, but an illiterate person looks at a book and sees alien script.. makes no sense. Very simple to us, almost impossible for them. I worked on carburetor'd vehicles... never worked on injector systems. The electronics involved make a small error into a big error because its all intended to run "hand-in-hand" with each component. Only takes a bad wire to screw it all up and if your not as good as a lot of the forum "gods" that I have read (and there are a lot with intense skillsets), or have good understanding and capabilities.. regardless how "easy" it is... the 7M is not a simple motor to drop in.
trust me.. I buy them after the "mechanics" are done with them for very cheap.
I could write a big reply to that but instead I'll just say:
1) This engine is mechanically no different than most.
2) The EFI system is simple and all that's needed to work on it is very basic electrical knowledge.
3) There's a very good book that tells pretty much all you'll ever need to know about the car.
4) Most people don't know something because they refuse to learn it. Too lazy in most cases.
Many refuse to learn even the basics. Take timing for example. Based on what I've read here many don't even seem to understand four stroke operation. You can bet they know everything about the latest smartphone, playstation and xbox though.
I won't even get into the sad looking emasculated creatures that are the current crop of young American males. Thanks to the pussification of the country most of these "men" can't fix even basic stuff, automotive or not.
1) This engine is mechanically no different than most.
2) The EFI system is simple and all that's needed to work on it is very basic electrical knowledge.
3) There's a very good book that tells pretty much all you'll ever need to know about the car.
4) Most people don't know something because they refuse to learn it. Too lazy in most cases.
Many refuse to learn even the basics. Take timing for example. Based on what I've read here many don't even seem to understand four stroke operation. You can bet they know everything about the latest smartphone, playstation and xbox though.
I won't even get into the sad looking emasculated creatures that are the current crop of young American males. Thanks to the pussification of the country most of these "men" can't fix even basic stuff, automotive or not.
no need for a big reply. I get exactly what your saying, my point is that the difference between a good mechanic and a great mechanic are the little things. The big things are easy to tackle. Its the "fine points" that get overlooked.
I would say over half of the people that have had issues that I have read are solved by the little points. When I grew up, doing an oil change was considered very trivial. I have had to teach my boys (and one of my daughters who was interested) how to do a proper oil change and they still haven't got it down. But 2 of my boys like to talk about engine swaps and fixing things themselves but both are still on "righty-tighty, lefty-loosey" with wrenches... lol. I think they are very indicative of the youth today though, unfortunately.
Kinda why I think the stealerships have went to auto transmissions that you cant check the fluid (or fill for that matter). I was shocked when I saw that on a new car... no auto trany dipstick??
Anyway.. I think we are totally off of the OPS question now.. lol
so.. back to the topic.. any update for Mk3Shogun??
I would say over half of the people that have had issues that I have read are solved by the little points. When I grew up, doing an oil change was considered very trivial. I have had to teach my boys (and one of my daughters who was interested) how to do a proper oil change and they still haven't got it down. But 2 of my boys like to talk about engine swaps and fixing things themselves but both are still on "righty-tighty, lefty-loosey" with wrenches... lol. I think they are very indicative of the youth today though, unfortunately.
Kinda why I think the stealerships have went to auto transmissions that you cant check the fluid (or fill for that matter). I was shocked when I saw that on a new car... no auto trany dipstick??
Anyway.. I think we are totally off of the OPS question now.. lol
so.. back to the topic.. any update for Mk3Shogun??
She goes into the shop on the 16th or the 18th thanks for asking, As of right now the battery dead because the alarm keeps on going off.
When i'm ready to bring her to the shop i will change the Oil (That has a crap load of gas in it) Spark plugs and charge the battery then i'll will be on my way.
When i'm ready to bring her to the shop i will change the Oil (That has a crap load of gas in it) Spark plugs and charge the battery then i'll will be on my way.
Stupid question, but what condition are your injectors in. Did you play with them? Just wondering, because I recall that my Odyssey had a period of sputtering and almost didn't run. Took it in to be serviced.. they "fixed" it so that it would do exactly the same thing on the drive home.
I ran some heavy duty injector cleaner (about 70.00 for a can of it) and problem was solved forever. (Desperation move as I didn't want to pull the injectors to do it properly)
Just a thought that hit me.
How long has gas been in your oil btw?
I ran some heavy duty injector cleaner (about 70.00 for a can of it) and problem was solved forever. (Desperation move as I didn't want to pull the injectors to do it properly)
Just a thought that hit me.
How long has gas been in your oil btw?
The car hasn't moved since i took it to the second shop so it been sitting there for a while. Injectors, no i haven't looked at them. So far what i have seen and hear was the engine flooded out with gas to the point when i pulled my spark plugs out they were black as night.
The shop is a hour away and my budget has been cut badly ($600) so the tow truck is out of the question, I have to drive the car to the shop and hope it doesn't cut out on me (Hence Change the oil and spark plugs) And if i get it there and the price is out of my $600 range then i will be forced to sell the car that i dreamed of driving. So wish me the best of luck.
The shop is a hour away and my budget has been cut badly ($600) so the tow truck is out of the question, I have to drive the car to the shop and hope it doesn't cut out on me (Hence Change the oil and spark plugs) And if i get it there and the price is out of my $600 range then i will be forced to sell the car that i dreamed of driving. So wish me the best of luck.
*Update* I spoke with the 7mgte shop's owner, and we tried to figure out the problem over the phone what we found was a wire that wasn't in the stock harness. So with that i decided to call the old owner of the supra, what i found out was it had a aftermarket alarm installed because he had a 750W Sub in the back of the car (Sighs) Now the other problems was when the car was sitting in the cold the driver door was not registering that it was open in the dash light when it was ajar and the passenger door was open it did show it was ajar. The alarm is stopping it from firing up because the driver side door is not showing it to be ajar (So it thinks it being broken in)
For those who are wondering why didn't i get the car to the shop, it would cut off and not start up due aftermarket alarm system what it does is stops the spark and kills the battery (Due to anyone trying to turn the key it over and over).
For those who are wondering why didn't i get the car to the shop, it would cut off and not start up due aftermarket alarm system what it does is stops the spark and kills the battery (Due to anyone trying to turn the key it over and over).
*Update* Good news and bad news, Good news is the car will start up boost and drive fine.
Bad news, leaking exhaust from the flange connected to the down pipe, when the car is ran more then 15 mins shut off and parked come back to it after 5 mins and try to start it will not fire (But if left for 1 to 2 hours it will crank) When the lights are turned on the car shuts off. A whining from the power steering pump to the steering wheel is sounding like a buzz-saw.
Bad news, leaking exhaust from the flange connected to the down pipe, when the car is ran more then 15 mins shut off and parked come back to it after 5 mins and try to start it will not fire (But if left for 1 to 2 hours it will crank) When the lights are turned on the car shuts off. A whining from the power steering pump to the steering wheel is sounding like a buzz-saw.
*Update* Checking the engine bay and codes, Code 34 came up again when I checked. In the Engine bay looking for frail wires (Beside the ones i found) looked for the ignition module because of code 12 that i had before Not really sure where i can find it (If anyone can post a picture where it was) I really hope that's not the cause (644 bucks repair). So for Today i will get a meter and test the body for any currents (looking for a not tighten down ground) Fuel pump to see if it went during the shortage, putting out way too much gas blowing out the spark.
Iirc you will get code 12 if you crank the engine for more than 2 seconds with out it firing...
. So if your alarm was causing it to not fire up and run but you were cranking the starter attempting to get it started then it would show code 12
. So if your alarm was causing it to not fire up and run but you were cranking the starter attempting to get it started then it would show code 12
*Update* Few weeks go by and I see what I did to the car, there was a incident that happened the car's battery went dead picked up a new one and talked to my wife about meeting up with her (Back when the car was still running) proceeded to put in the battery and it was put in backwards and sparks flew everywhere fuses were blown (that was going to happen) replaced the fuses and the car fire right up took it around the block and tested it.
I have been trying to say it wasn't the problem but it was, I feel so stupid for what I have done to my dream car. I'm way over my head and need help please, Thank you.
I have been trying to say it wasn't the problem but it was, I feel so stupid for what I have done to my dream car. I'm way over my head and need help please, Thank you.