BHG'ed, Does $2k Sound Like the Right Price?

tte

tte

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It would be alot cheaper if you removed and installed the the head yourself.
Get a few supra guys in the bay area to help you out, even if they wanted some money. I am sure it will be alot less than 2 grand.
If I had some free time I would have helped you, but unfortunately i am busy most of the time.

There is a place in hayward. I think Rob's Machine shop. I can get the number for you if you want.

I got my block machined there at a reasonable cost and they even bought some parts that I needed for me with their trade discount. When I went to their shop they were also working on other supra engines too, so they know about our engines.


Cheers,
Roy
 
ChadMKIII

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Thanks fo rthe replys guys. This is a great mechanic, we've used him literally for over a decade, knows us all by name.
There is no way I'm doing it myself, not enough time. So are OEM head bolts ok in you guys opinions?
We gave him the go ahead today. But we haven't decided which way we wanna go on HG & studs/bolts

What are pros and cons of MHG v. Composite HG?
What are pros and cons of ARP Studs over bolts?

Yeah I'll search but whats your opinions for a DD? Thanks!
 
Nick M

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Studs are done to even out the clamping force when you over torque the fastener compared to what the manufacturer says.

If this is a daily driver, and you are not looking for 400rwhp, the factory composite gasket is just fine with bolts torqued to 72 lb/ft, with proper tuning. The deck and block both need to be flat to do the install correct. I suspect both of yours are a little out of spec, and that is contributing to his estimate.
 
phoenix6

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I asked the same question about the bolts/studs over stock.

They are heat treated, stress tested and can handle an extemely high force against them before they start to come out of line. Stockers sometmes come out stressed and out of wack just from standard torqing, and cant be reused, ARPs can be.

The studs are better for they pull both ways when you torque em down, bolts dont.

Imgoing with ARP Studs on my rebuild.
 
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Neodeuccio

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I'd highly recommend going with a metal head gasket too. They're not much more expensive than standard, and any extra strength is always a good thing. You can get a stock spec Felpro for like $75 from or you can get a 1.4mm multilayer steel for $120 from Titan (here), and their customer service rocks.

And deffinately go for studs... there's no point in half-assing something as important as your head gasket.
 
s383mmber1

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Neodeuccio said:
I'd highly recommend going with a metal head gasket too. They're not much more expensive than standard, and any extra strength is always a good thing. You can get a stock spec Felpro for like $75 from or you can get a 1.4mm multilayer steel for $120 from Titan (here), and their customer service rocks.

And deffinately go for studs... there's no point in half-assing something as important as your head gasket.
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Metal head gaskets ARE NOT always the best. You need to have your head to a certain RA and unless your going for large HP goals, there not great to use. A stock gasket with a good tune will last *forever*.

IIRC "x-man" on here is over the 600 horsepower marks with a stock gasket!
 
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dbsupra90

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i would go ahead and go with a mhg IF and ONLY IF both the head and block surfaces are machined for it. each gasket has a specific RA required for proper sealing. otherwise, id go for a stock gasket w/ arp hardware.

s383mmber1 said:
IIRC "x-man" on here is over the 600 horsepower marks with a stock gasket!
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while he is on a stock motor, he does have a mhg w/ arp bolts.

willie (x-man's buddy) has made a little over 500rw using a stock gasket. not the original from 1991 gasket, but replaced with stock. cant recall if he is using arp hardware or not.
 
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dbsupra90 said:
i would go ahead and go with a mhg IF and ONLY IF both the head and block surfaces are machined for it. each gasket has a specific RA required for proper sealing. otherwise, id go for a stock gasket w/ arp hardware.



while he is on a stock motor, he does have a mhg w/ arp bolts.

willie (x-man's buddy) has made a little over 500rw using a stock gasket. not the original from 1991 gasket, but replaced with stock. cant recall if he is using arp hardware or not.
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Oops! Miss info there! 500 on stock gasket is quite a bit!
 
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Neodeuccio

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s383mmber1 said:
Metal head gaskets ARE NOT always the best. You need to have your head to a certain RA and unless your going for large HP goals, there not great to use. A stock gasket with a good tune will last *forever*.

IIRC "x-man" on here is over the 600 horsepower marks with a stock gasket!
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True, I didn't think to mention that I had my block resurfaced and a new head put on...
 
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supradan22

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I dont see no one giving the torque warning on the head bolts I belive on the stock head gasket you want like 76 lbs on the head bolts the toyota manual is wrong.

Make sure you mechanic torques down the bolts right
 
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starscream5000 said:
Use moly when torquing down the bolts to 76, it will give a more accurate torque reading ;). ARP studs are 81 ft/lbs w/moly, not sure what ARP bolts are...
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If he wants to make big power in the future, 81 ft lbs isn't much...
 
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