Attn: 7M-GTE to 1JZ-GTE Owners

TurboOCD

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I just have a couple questions as I can't decide what damn swap I want to go with...lol.

I was wondering why you went with the 1JZ-GTE after having the 7M-GTE.

Which engine do you like better?

Also, I would like this not be a bashing of either engine. Thanks!
 

drunk_medic

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Apr 1, 2005
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I do not have the 1JZ, but I can speculate why some people go with the 1JZ.

#1: It's meant for the A70 Chassis. It did not come in our car in the USA, but the 1JZ belongs in the A70 chassis Supra. This makes the swap "easier". It's not quite plug n' play, but still not terrible by any means.

#2: More base horsepower/torque than the 7M. Also, when people swap a 1JZ in, they have to get a few parts while they are at it. It's the perfect excuse for a lightened flywheel and a clutch that will hold power, and an excuse for a new intake and exhaust. This will make even more power.

#3: More revs, shift in the powerband, or a different purpose [ie:drifting].

#4: They have given the 7M a few chances and have had a bad experience with rebuilds, and they want to try a new solution to their BHG problem.

I don't know all of the reasons, and I guess everyone has their own, but those are the best reasons that come to mind.
 

Satan

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Mar 31, 2005
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I've gone 1J, then 2J, then singled the 2J, and then found water in the oil (grrrrr!!). Went back to 7M for ease of availability/install (nothing fits better than stock).

Now, I am going back to 2J. After all the trouble and thinking that staying stock would solve my problems and let me enjoy driving the car again... I was wrong.

I've got gremlins and have had a heat soak issue that while probably solve-able, has been extremely frustrating. So, I was already considering dropping another 2J in there and had another heat soak episode.

I figured... the 7M I have came out of an 87. That makes it almost 20 years old (older than some of the kids here ;-). I could do like others and rebuild, etc, but there's always the fact that everything else around the 7M (electronics, sensors, etc) is 20 years old. I bout a new engine harness for my 7M and have spent alot of time and $$ to make it run like new again.... not in the cards for me.

1st... without starting the debate. With what I have spent on the 7M, I could've easily dropped another 2J in there. Off the bat (stock) the 2J has more power, reliability, and potential. The 7M does too, if you rebuild, go MHG, etc, etc. Dollar for dollar, I'd go to a newer engine just because I know that with each new generation, there are design differences that make 'em "overall" better. That does not mean that they are flawless or without their own weaknesses.

The other nice thing I like about the swap is having something uncommon under the hood (but not a GM 350;-). Swaps aren't for everyone and they have gotten easier over the last few years. As the community gets older, we will loose ppl like Urbano, and some of us other old folk that have gone thru the 1st timer's pain and experimentation. It's easier these days and the uniqueness has it's perks.

Cliffs: It's a personal decision, based on what you want out of it, ind the end. Good luck!
 

suprahero

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I want to go 2jz so bad if my 7mgte decides to lock up. The only problem for me will be parts because I can't find a shop around here that will do it or help me get parts. I've talked with BigAaron and he said he will help, so that's the man I'm talking to when the time is right.
Satan, I've never been in a 2jz or 1jz for that matter. How strong does the 2jz pull when really getting on it? Did you ever take it to the track? If so, how were your times? Just curious. Thanks and you had a very well written post.
 
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itr206

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Honestly power and reliablity did it for me. I have never once even had a stumble or anything with mine. I wish I could say the same for my 7M. I doesnt matter how cold or hot it is, it runs great all the time.
You do a simple BPU on a 1JZ or 2JZ and up the boost a little and you will have a rocket and one hell of a fun car.
 

suprahero

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Thanks Itr206. What is a simple BPU? Not trying to be funny or stupid, I just can't put three words with BPU...........lol
 

Satan

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I never got to take it to the track or do much more with it. Just got a temp tag on it and a few weeks later... well, water in the oil.

However, it pulled pretty hard. I think the 1J or 2J is perfect (stock) for our heavy-@$$ MKIIIs.

Doesn't take as much to get some power out of 'em, compared to the 7M and it seems like the 7M would get tempermental at just about any mod. So it took alot, just to get it to 300HP, whereas with an intake and exhaust you're probably already there with the J series.

The 7M has nickled and dimed me to death with money and time... Even if it's the same w/the 2J, it's still going towards something newer...
 

Blksupra1jzed

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After 3 motors I got tired of it. I have found the smoothness of the 1JZ is unbelievable, the quickness of the turbos, and how RELIABLE it is. I have had mine running for 2 years now and not ONCE has it had any issue. It is one hell of a fun motor and fast at that.

Hmm I have always gone with BPU being (boost pressure upgrades). Either way on a turbo car that kinda goes hand in hand with basic perf. upgrades.
 

TurboOCD

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Apr 8, 2006
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You guys totally kick ass. My decision is definitely for the 1jz and then maybe go 1.5jz sometime down the line. Thanks guys!
 

Clip

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beaut. just the info i was looking for to push me over the edge into 1jzswap land.
 

turbodriz

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Feb 25, 2006
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well I have to be the one that says different for I am a 7m-gte owner. What I will say is that the 7m is like a chick, you have to know how to love her. You see the 7m has a lot of flaws and well alot of guys don't know how to build them right. Whether it is going back stock or built it has certain things that must be addressed during machining. Know I heard a couple guys say that it was hard to make 300hp. I don't agree. The electronics on ower 7m is a little less advance. I have a f'con and with stock ct26 at 12-to 14psi 300hp is a breeze. I am not stating that there isn't more reliability in a jz in stock form. I am stating that for what you will spend in a swap you can have a respectable 7m. There are alot of guys making high 400 hp low 5s on stock 7m motors it is all about the rebuild
 

garagefujimoto

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May 27, 2005
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I enjoyed the 7M for a number of years, but it was time to move on.

I only really got a few months of trouble free driving, it always seemed like I had bad this or that bad this or that.

If you have the money and time, a 7M that is freshened back to new specs is an excellent engine. I will not doubt that. But consider the following:

Getting the motor back to low mile condition:
Free vs $3000

Front Facing Intake
Free vs $1000

Rev past 6000
Free vs $1000 or more

Make 500 hp
Parts vs Parts and $1500 in other junk

Remove AFM, restrictive piping, get computer to manage this
Free vs $1000

Go for a 1500 mile drive and never open the hood
Priceless
 

turbodriz

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Feb 25, 2006
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so what kind of power does a j series motor make in stock form? and to make 500hp in a 7m would require fuel and computer and turbo upgrades as well as on a jseries motor. My 7m pulls up to 6500rpm and hits its limiter at 6800.
 

suprastanger507mgte

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I have had a few of the 7m powered cars ( NA and Turbo both.)
I also had my last one nice upgraded and I loved it and still do eventhough its sold.
The power is there in the 7m but before you can fully take advantage of it, other places needs to be strengthened first ( Headgasket/bearings/oil problem/ etc)

After all those 7ms, I personally was always a big fan of the 1jz in the Supra from he beginning and when I had the money and enough knowledge about these MKIII's I made a switch.

I absolutly love the 1jz - it is fairly quick, very responsive and drives like a newer car because it is so smooth.
It revs alot higher and upgrades can be done without worrying about anything blowing up.

It was a move I don't think I'll ever regret.
 

turbodriz

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Feb 25, 2006
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so what if you are looking into a series build. I would stick with the liters not the rev. In the quest for power rev isnt everything. There is a 7m dragster that you guys should look at it revs well over 8000gr. Now I know that this is a different level but rev isnt an issue. You see after you do a j series swap you still have to buy the bolt ons to produce the power. And then who is to say that you get a good motor.