My friend has beaten my daily driver NA Neon and my brothers PT Turbo (I can;t launch that thing) with his (really) Turbo Civic. It only boosts 5 psi and has the same size turbo as a SRT4. However, he never CLAIMS it to be fast. He really thinks it's slow. My Neon is just, well, slower. His Mustang is alot faster in the straights, however, there is a trade-off in his go-normal Civic. It can't handle for shit. My Lowly Neon has, on downhill runs, been able to out-do lowered Civic's, Integra's, RSX's, and the like for some strange reason. Maybe it's cause i run 225's instead of the max recommended 215 (that took some persuading), or the fact I have a decent suspension setup and his Civic is stock. Not really a comparison there. I know he's not a total idiot. The fact he bought the turbo Civic was for a different reason: To prove it isn't all that fast. We just drive around in it, blowing off on anything that looks REMOTELY like rice. Sure, we act like idiots in that car because that's what people expect of us, however, me and him both understand that the Civic is not the Supercar of the century. It is, however, cheap, and a lot of fun to beat to death.