Any way around this? (Removing Motor)

[Failure14]

Ok so im in the process of removing the motor
for the first time, and i came across this plate holding
up my tranny im guessing but i just cant get these other
3 bolts off, ive sprayed it with WD-40 and let it sit,
ive broken 3 of my 12mm sockets now and its just
not budging.... I have no clue what to do...

Here it is on step 13.
Thats not mine but thats what im having a hard
time getting off....

http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97710

Any information is greatly appreciated as id like to pull
this little thing today sometime....

 

[hvyman]

righty tighty, lefty loosey. its easier to pull both the trans and engine together. you could remove the trans from engine and pull it that way or get a quality socket with a longer ratchet or even use a breaker bar. they shouldnt be at 100ft lbs.

 

[suprarx7nut]

You need to remove that. Removing the engine/trans together saves a lot of headache.

Get some real penetrating oil instead of wd 40.

Use a 1/2" drive breaker bar with a short extension. Buy a craftsman breaker bar and go nuts on it. Lifetime guarantee.

 

[whitemike]

If the socket is slipping, or breaking, use a wrench. Use a breaker bar. Give it a few light taps with a brass hammer. Impact gun anyone?

-Mike

 

[hvyman]

its a 12mm bolt. impact gun seems way over rated for just a 12mm bolt. i always use a 13in snap on ratchet which makes things easier but those bolts should have stripped before they would have gotten to the point of breaking sockets.

 

[whitemike]

its a 12mm bolt. impact gun seems way over rated for just a 12mm bolt. i always use a 13in snap on ratchet which makes things easier but those bolts should have stripped before they would have gotten to the point of breaking sockets.

There's different size impact guns, I have a small one that's perfect for 10/12mm bolts. Just because It's an "impact" gun doesn't mean It's crazy strong. It just does what you can do, but since you only have to pull a trigger, it makes your life easier in areas with not so much room to work. I mean electric, btw.

-Mike

 

[jetjock]

^ Agree. I have a 3/8" butterfly impact. Handy tool.

 

[Failure14]

Ok i went with what you guys said above and finally got them off...

but a new problem apeared eh...

Got everything ready and got to the last step with the motor mounts, got the right side nuts off and the left 19mm bottom nut
off but the top 17mm nut isn't coming off, i didnt break no sockets on this one lol but it slipped and i can see if i do it anymore its going to strip the whole nut and a bigger problem will occure, so
atm my engine is to an extent only be held down by 1 nut,

is this bad? can i warp anything by leaving it overnight?
&& what do you guys suggest about the almost stripped nut?
Tomorrow im going to go get a brand new 17mm socket and
hopefully it will grab the nut....

If not then...?

 

[lewis15498]

Use a 6 pt socket not a 12 pt, let it soak with penetrating oil over night, then heat it with a torch before attempting to remove it. I just did this to get rusty lugs off a truck. Even w/ my 275lb ass standing on the lug wrench it wouldnt break free. Hit it with some heat, get it cherry red, and shazam comes right off. Have a fire estinguisher ready and be prepared to replace the motor mount is it gets damaged. It it comes down to it you can just torch it right off.

If you dont have torch, try and find someone who does. you can attempt to do it with a simple propane torch but you will probably fail. If your new to oxy/acetaline torches practice on something you dont care about first. You can get a nice set for 2-300. May seem like alot but you wont regret it, the torches and mig welder are two of the best investments I've ever made. Right up there with my dewalt xrp drill.

 

[Failure14]

Ah alright, ill give that a shot, ive gotten a few torches laying around here so ill go ahead and use the oil then try that tomorrow, i appreciate you explaining it all, means alot.


And thanks to everyone else.

Wish me luck, im gonna need it.

 

[IJ.]

A torch is going to fuck the bonded rubber mount......

 

[lewis15498]

A torch is going to fuck the bonded rubber mount......

Yeah but they're only $30-40 If its stuck on the torch will get it off. Like I said he should be prepared to replace them. Besides they're 20+years old, not a terrible idea to replace them anyways.

 

[IJ.]

Yeah but they're only $30-40 If its stuck on the torch will get it off. Like I said he should be prepared to replace them. Besides they're 20+years old, not a terrible idea to replace them anyways.

 

[whitemike]

Here ya go man:

1) Spray it with PB blaster or similar liquid-wrench, and let it sit overnight
2) I personally suggest a wrench, as It's inline with the bolt and sockets tend to slip-off
3) Get a big pipe, slide it onto the wrench, and rock it back and forth (with some force) until it breaks free.

You don't want to just force it one way, as it may be stuck and forcing it can break the head off or melt the threads and fuck the bolt hole (hehe).. that's bad. Think about how an impact gun works.. it continuously taps or hammers the bolt in one direction, doesn't just brute-force it one way. That's what you want to do.

Be gentle.

-Mike

Edit: Forgot to mention, don't use an open-ended wrench, use the other side broski.

 

[nick88]

I just took one of the nuts off of the motor mount, the bottom one and the engine and trans comes right out once it comes up about 2 inches.

 

[Poodles]

Don't have to remove the top bolt on the mount...

Just remove the bottom 2 nuts and it will come out since the holes are notched.

 

[hvyman]

There's different size impact guns, I have a small one that's perfect for 10/12mm bolts. Just because It's an "impact" gun doesn't mean It's crazy strong. It just does what you can do, but since you only have to pull a trigger, it makes your life easier in areas with not so much room to work. I mean electric, btw.

-Mike

i know that. i know there are different sized impacts with diff torque ratings. yes they are fast but sometimes they ruin parts. a air ratchet would be more up to the job as you could break the bolt loose and then use air to remove the bolt. breaking bolts by hand with a quality socket with good fitment is far better than just impacting the crap out of to get it loose. again its a 12mm bolt. if you are breaking sockets either you have crap tools or are not using enough leverage to break it loose.

 

[whitemike]

i know that. i know there are different sized impacts with diff torque ratings. yes they are fast but sometimes they ruin parts. a air ratchet would be more up to the job as you could break the bolt loose and then use air to remove the bolt. breaking bolts by hand with a quality socket with good fitment is far better than just impacting the crap out of to get it loose. again its a 12mm bolt. if you are breaking sockets either you have crap tools or are not using enough leverage to break it loose.

Again, if you know to use it, you're not going to break anything.

As for breaking sockets.. I think he's using crap tools. No 12mm bolt on this car will be torqued enough to break a socket before it comes loose.

-Mike

 

[hvyman]

your right if you know how to use it with soft trigger finger and not blasting the crap out of it but still it seems over rated as a air ratchet with a tq rating of 20-25lbs is more than enough than a 3/8 impact that can tq to 250lbs.

its like using a impact on a crank pulley sure it will get the bolt off but it could cause damage to the bearings by smacking the crank against the bearings.

 

[whitemike]

your right if you know how to use it with soft trigger finger and not blasting the crap out of it but still it seems over rated as a air ratchet with a tq rating of 20-25lbs is more than enough than a 3/8 impact that can tq to 250lbs.

its like using a impact on a crank pulley sure it will get the bolt off but it could cause damage to the bearings by smacking the crank against the bearings.

Dude if he's over here breaking sockets you don't think he's applying more than 25 ft-lbs? Also, I've never heard of an impact damaging bearings before..