7mge to 7mgte or 1jzgte?
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The 7M or 1JZ is dependent on the owner not the engine. If you are very careful and know your shit and do a 7M, it'll be much better than a slapped-together 1JZ, and visa versa. Save A LOT of money before you think of doing any of this.
My $.02
My $.02
My budget? have no idea... $0 right now. i just want to kno what would be a better engine for a daily driver that i could make a beast. its one of my supras and i just want more power out of it... the non turbo just doesnt cut it for me. right now its fine but if later i get the funds then i would love to swap in a new engine. i have a 7m-gte in my 88 supra in kentucky and that bitch kicks ass. so i might just go with a 7m-gte in this one cause its what i already have. thanks for all the help guys. hopefully someday i can get both my cars to be preety nice and fast together. thanks.
*flamesuit on*
I have yet to see a 1J anywhere near the 1000HP mark. Is this because it's a bad motor? No, it's because it doesn't have the aftermarket support of the 7M or 2J and it's fighting an uphill battle in displacement. The 3.4 stroker 2J's make a LOT more power than a normal 2J, you can't argue with the dyno results.
Now, on to the fun stuff of money.
1J's are getting scarce and with that their price is going up. The way to do it right is with a front clip, and it's expensive. There are tons of 1J's out of other cars floating around that require more work to put in the car. Also, hacker harnesses, missing components, weak turbos, and having to extend the wiring harness properly all play into them no longer being worth the money they are fetching on the market.
At this point the 2J N/A-T swap is seriously looking the best bang for the buck. The 2J was used for a rediculously long time in Toyota/Lexus lineup making replacement parts and aftermarket support huge. The motors are cheap, easy to get ahold of, and all the hard work of how to get them in the car and running has been done by other people.
If the car was originally a turbo model I'd say to just build the 7M and be done with it as if it's done right it will give you anotehr 20 years of driving. As it's an N/A you're going to have to replace the ECU and wiring, so going 2J and having a dead relable car with more power and being able to get high quality parts (though they're not cheap) is a huge plus.
The choice is yours and I know people will bash me for saying the 1J has issues, but they do just like any other JDM engine. You can still buy 2J shortblocks from the dealer, so parts availability is great. If I had to do it all over again I would have gone 2J, but at the time I spent all the money on my 7M, there wheren't many people that had done the swap and it was still considered difficult.
I have yet to see a 1J anywhere near the 1000HP mark. Is this because it's a bad motor? No, it's because it doesn't have the aftermarket support of the 7M or 2J and it's fighting an uphill battle in displacement. The 3.4 stroker 2J's make a LOT more power than a normal 2J, you can't argue with the dyno results.
Now, on to the fun stuff of money.
1J's are getting scarce and with that their price is going up. The way to do it right is with a front clip, and it's expensive. There are tons of 1J's out of other cars floating around that require more work to put in the car. Also, hacker harnesses, missing components, weak turbos, and having to extend the wiring harness properly all play into them no longer being worth the money they are fetching on the market.
At this point the 2J N/A-T swap is seriously looking the best bang for the buck. The 2J was used for a rediculously long time in Toyota/Lexus lineup making replacement parts and aftermarket support huge. The motors are cheap, easy to get ahold of, and all the hard work of how to get them in the car and running has been done by other people.
If the car was originally a turbo model I'd say to just build the 7M and be done with it as if it's done right it will give you anotehr 20 years of driving. As it's an N/A you're going to have to replace the ECU and wiring, so going 2J and having a dead relable car with more power and being able to get high quality parts (though they're not cheap) is a huge plus.
The choice is yours and I know people will bash me for saying the 1J has issues, but they do just like any other JDM engine. You can still buy 2J shortblocks from the dealer, so parts availability is great. If I had to do it all over again I would have gone 2J, but at the time I spent all the money on my 7M, there wheren't many people that had done the swap and it was still considered difficult.
Poodles;1154623 said:
At least somebody hit 500 rwhp at SILV this year. When I went in 06, the highest was 320, and that was with a single turob upgrade.
Poodles;1154623 said:
You should see what a 3.2L 7M does
Fun times (not really). Makes a TRUE traction control system a MUST.
Ask Adjuster on that one or me (I am the other guy that went 3.2L
) !I have a 7m, 3 inch exhaust and downpipe, intake, lexus afm and 550 injectors, spearco IC and hardpipes, and blitz ebc. This car has great low end torque and is a monster at 13 psi. The car spools quickly and is great to drive. I'm happy with the 7mgte. I haven't driven a 1j or 2j but I know I'm really happy with what I have. I drove turbo mr2's for about 5 years and they just don't compare to this car. If your happy with your other car and its 7m, just go with another 7m and make sure the head gasket is torqued down properly or replaced with a metal gasket.
Stock, the 7M is lacking.
If you really want to know what the 7M is capable of, find someone with a 3" turbo back exhaust + a boost controller. The 7MGTE with a 3" turbo back exhaust and 11-12psi on the stock CT26 is a FUN car!
If you really want to know what the 7M is capable of, find someone with a 3" turbo back exhaust + a boost controller. The 7MGTE with a 3" turbo back exhaust and 11-12psi on the stock CT26 is a FUN car!
a 1j with an auto is alot of fun, but with a 3.73 rear gear it is a lil lacking. the 1j in my opinion is good for highways and thats it. just plain and simple, no low end. I swapped mine in without a clip and it was less than a clip cost in the end so its all in knowhow and prices. 7m still puts a bigger smile on my face.
pnutcar;1154193 said:Build whatever 7m you want and keep making torque jokes, we'll see which is faster and lasts longer
I'll take that bet. :evil2:
It's not about being a baby its about not having the money or really the ability to get it done right. If i was able to I would buy a MKIIII and be done with it but I don't have that ability either. So I'm trying to get some good advice from other supra owners as to which engine would be better in my car. So far I have gotten good advice especially from MARK2, Poodles, and DOWARD... They actually have gone into detail and told me some good stuff. Now if you would like to do that instead of calling people babies that would be much appreciated if not then don't put in any input at all. thanks.
How do you like your powerband?
I like mine up top. Thats why I opted for a 1JZ. I have never driven such a great engine in my whole life, Ive driven plenty of 7M's. I just dont care for it as much.
Get a ride in a 1JZ car, or a 7M car, see what YOU like better. not this forum
I like mine up top. Thats why I opted for a 1JZ. I have never driven such a great engine in my whole life, Ive driven plenty of 7M's. I just dont care for it as much.
Get a ride in a 1JZ car, or a 7M car, see what YOU like better. not this forum
Here is the best advice in the entire thread: Buy a daily.
Then start saving. Don't do anything to the car until you've:
A) got the cash
B) know EXACTLY wtf you want (plan your build, build your plan. Changing ideas is $$$)
C) read up on everything so you don't have suprises
D) do it the right way, ie no skimping
E) post a build thread lol
Then start saving. Don't do anything to the car until you've:
A) got the cash
B) know EXACTLY wtf you want (plan your build, build your plan. Changing ideas is $$$)
C) read up on everything so you don't have suprises
D) do it the right way, ie no skimping
E) post a build thread lol
i have been in a strong 1j with mods, and i have been in a strong 7m with all the main mods, 4inch dp 550 lexafm etc etc. and i will say i liked the 7m alot more then the 1j. if i was gonna do anything i would build a 7m or a 2j.
and frankly, all you people bashing on them 7m have just given up, i have had my 7m for 3 years and it is strong. maybe if you would have built it right you would not be so anti 7m
and yes i am insulting your so called skills at building a motor.
and frankly, all you people bashing on them 7m have just given up, i have had my 7m for 3 years and it is strong. maybe if you would have built it right you would not be so anti 7m
and yes i am insulting your so called skills at building a motor.
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As big wang said, it all comes down to preferance. Go with what YOU want, not joe shmoe on the forums. I opted for the 1jz due to what it came with, for the price it came with. I got a well treated 1jz motorset with less than 50k miles on it, 47k to be exact (not one drop of sludge in the oil pan, new belts, strong clutch and toyota red coolant). In all honesty, for the price of the 1jz swap in total, I could have been running a forged 7m with a 57 trim, but I opted not to, and do something slightly different in my state. At the time, I would have been the 2nd person in CT with a 1jz. I have driven all motors at the same amount of modifications in a MKIII chassis (DP, Exhaust, Intake) and I have to say, the 1jz feels a lot better to me than a 2jz or a 7m. I would say that you do the same form of research before you make your decision.